Re: sanskrit "bhuman"

--- In cybalist@..., "Richard Wordingham" wrote:

>> --- In cybalist@..., "m_iacomi" <m_iacomi@...> wrote:
>
>>> Do you need a preceding labial (e.g. the /m/ we have) to get /1/
>>> and not /i/? I am thinking of dinte < dentem and 'CinV > C1nV
>>> if C labial', as Miguel cited in
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/15151 .
>>
>> Huh? I checked up the message and it doesn't mention any of these
>> cases.
>
> Whoops! I meant number 15051.

I see. Actually, Miguel spoke about the case CinV, while here we
have merely CinCV.

>> I would like to recall you the message:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/15462
>> where I stated some rules.
>
> Which get us as far as -mintu.
>
>> When -ent(u) becames the last syllable, (stressed) /e/ > /1/
>> and not /i/; a frequent case is the Latin -mentu(m) > -mânt
>> as in monumentum > mormânt. <-mânt> is productive in Romanian,
>> see asezãmânt, zãcãmânt, invãTãmânt, etc., for plurals we have
>> the expected alternance with /i/ in asezãminte, zãcãminte,
>> invãTãminte. See also ventum > vânt, conventum > cuvânt (pl.
>> cuvinte; but vânturi, under the influence of closed /u/ from
>> the last syllable).
>
> So the environment which is a subset of C_nV does NOT generalise
> to C_n(C)V.

In fact, the treatment of stressed /e/ in such environment depends
also on the vowel from the next syllable. If there is an /&/, an
/a/, a back vowel or nothing at all (as in our case), the result is
/1/. For instance: extempero (lat.) > *(a)stimpãr > (a)stâmpãr (with
/m/ instead of /n/), tenerus > *tenãr > *tinãr > tânãr, fermentare >
frãmânta.

> Is vânturi exceptional?

No: as said, the influence of /u/ ensures the /1/ in the first
syllable.

> P.S. Thank you if you did the Romanian Swadesh word-list for the
> Rosetta Project.

Thank you for thanking me, but it wasn't me. :-)

Regards,
Marius Iacomi