Re: More than numbers

--- In cybalist@..., "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@..., "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@..., Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 01 Oct 2002 13:13:36 -0000, "tgpedersen"
> <tgpedersen@...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >> >Notice also Guanche (Tenerife) cansa "five".
> > > >>
> > > >> Borrowed from Semitic, like arba "4".
> > > >
> > > >I wish I had your conviction of mind, w.r.to the direction of
> > > >loaning, I mean. /k/ (I asssume it is)
> > >
> > > Probably /x/, as Guanche was glossed by Spaniards (and at the
> > > time, Spanish didn't have a velar fricative).
> > Nice try. /k/ is /k/.

I was wondering for a moment whether Spanish at the time
pronounced /h/ (< /f/, as in 'hierro'). But Judeo-Spanish
has 'fierro' with retained /f/, so /f/ > /h/ can't have happened yet,
so no.

> > >
> > > >vs. /h/ seems to suggest the
> > > >other direction (but Gran Canaria simus-etti might be loaned

the

> > > >direction you want it to, ie. from a Semitic language to

Greater

> > > >Canaria;
> > >
> > > No. simusetti is clearly Berber.
> > We were talking about direction.
> > >
> > > =======================
> > > Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> > > mcv@...
> >
> > Torsten

And if it is 'kansa', what a nice starting point for AA *H-m-s- and
IE *kWenkWe (one would have to amend it to) and also a nice
descendant of the ancestor of 'cheghe'.

> One of the genetic links between Sundaland and Europa that Stephen
> Oppenheimer (in "Eden in the East") mentions, connect Europe and

the

> NE Borneo region of Sabah. This is also where we find
> the /cheghe/ "5" forms for standard /lima/.
>
> The plot thickens.
>
> Torsten

In

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=514i59%24qpt%
40halley.pi.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain

Miguel mentions

the Proto-Malayo-Polynesian 2nd sg pronoun elements *kaw and *(i)mu
and compares them (because of the unusual *m) to Berber 'kam' ditto.
I wondered therefore if the M-P pronouns could be combined (cf Proto-
Miao-Yao *k&n). Sure enough, Kiribati has

am 2nd sg
ko 2nd sg
ami 2nd sg and pl poss.
kam 2nd pl

http://www.collectors.co.nz/kiribati/dict.html

Torsten