From: george knysh
Message: 15978
Date: 2002-10-06
>******GK: In my experience with 14th and 15th c.
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> From: "P&G" <petegray@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [tied] latin "ac"
>
>
> >
> > > <atque ~ ac> means more or less "as well as",
> "and also",
> "together with"
> > or "and >moreover".
> >
> > Ac and et are not quite identical in Latin. Ac
> joins things
> or ideas which
> > are felt to share some kind of connection, whereas
> et does
> not have this
> > connotation. So if we have Gothi ac Gepidae, then
> at least
> in the best
> > Classical Latin, this would mean the author felt
> the two
> tribes were similar
> > or in some way "obviously" belonging together.
> But I
> suspect the author was
> > not writing Classical Latin...
> >
> > Peter
>
> [Moeller]
> how I said, i was verifying some things in Gesta
> Hungarorum
> of Anonymous. And there it must be medieval latin.
> Of course because goths and gepidae are germanic
> folks we
> intend to think there would be a try to put them in
> the same
> top meaning "the same". But if there should be "
> gothi ac
> cumani" we will run away from this tought because
> none will be
> so crazy to try to make an asociation and to put in
> teh same
> pot goths and cummans:)
> So far I see , I have to interprete this "ac" as
> "and" and not
> " an another name for X beeing Y" or " X called
> sometimes Y "
> or " X said to be Y", right?
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