Re: [tied] *h3 (More deja-vu)

Do be funny by all means. The problem is that oxymorons like "voiced glottal stop" can be found even in linguistic publications (e.g. when describing the pronunciation of ayin), and, believe it or not, I've found this sound in about a dozen conlangs described on the Net. So how shall I know if someone's just being funny?

Piotr

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From: Glen Gordon

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Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:10 AM

Subject: Re: [tied] *h3 (More deja-vu)

Miguel, making no sense: >we have *d > *h1 and *h1k > g, which is more readily explained by /?/. Me, being funny: >So... maybe *h1 was a voiced glottal stop. Peter, not getting it: >No, it doesn't have to be. Piotr, clubbing my linguistic joke to death: >There is no such thing as a voiced glottal stop, by the way. Ugh. That's the last time I try to be funny on this list >:( Then again, ever heard the one about a velar fricative and a retroflex stop walking into a bar... (I still am maintaining that *H1 was one phoneme with two simple allophones, initial [?] and mediofinal [h]. I'm right. Everyone else is wrong :P)