--- In cybalist@..., "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <piotr.gasiorowski@...>
> wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@..., "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Falk & Torp continue:
> > > IE root *veg^- in Greek hugrós "humid, fluid", Lat.
> uvidus "humid,
> > > wet", Old Irish fúal "urine" (from *voglo-). Extended root

*vegs,

> > > *ugs: see ox.
> > > I assumed /g^/, not /g'/, on no grounds whatsover; Falk & Torp
> > supply
> > > no satem cognates.
> >
> > Latin u:vidus certainly doesn't derive from *weg^-. If it belongs
> > together with Gk. hygros and ON vökr 'wet' at all, this 'wet'

root

> > must be reconstructed as *wegW-. Some authors would adduce Lat.

(h)

> > u:mor, (h)u:midus < *ugW-sm-... .
> >
> > As for the rest, the American Heritage separates *weg^- 'be
> > strong/lively' (vigil, velocity,

TP: velocity?

vegetable, watch, wake, witch,

> vajra
> > [satem!] ...) from *h2aug^-/*h2weg^- 'increase' (eke, augment,
> > auxiliary, to wax, ...), and the EIEC does the same; however, a
> > connection seems likely to me.
> >
> > The 'ox, bull' word is either *ukWs-en- or *uks-en-; in either

case

> > the *k(W) might result from the devoicing of *g(W). *k^ (or *g^)

is

> > ruled out by Iranian evidence (Av. uxs^an-, not *us^an-).
> >
>
> > Piotr

So at least /uvidus/ demands a *w-gW-. Which means, for "water, wet"
we have at least

*w-gW-
*w-gH'- http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/wgh.html
*w-d- http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/wd.html
*w-r- http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/wr.html
*w-s- http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/ws.html

and, if we assume a preceding h2 lost when its syllable was
unstressed, plus some Verner-like stress-dependent effect on the next
consonant, also

*h2-p- http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/Opr.html
*h2-kW- (?)

and, for some odd reason, for "lead, transport"
*w-gH' http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/Opr.html
*w-dH- http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/wdh.html

No IE process that I know of connects these roots. If such a process
exists, then outside of IE. Thus, loans. Or a single non-IE root
bouncing round in several old Mediterranean languages.

Torsten