--- In cybalist@..., "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@..., Piotr Gasiorowski <piotr.gasiorowski@...>
> wrote:
> PG:
> > It's Scandinavian *vaku < *wako: (strong f.) 'hole or channel in
> the ice' and its family (borrowed into English, German, Dutch and
> Frisian), perhaps related to Germanic *wak- 'be awake, watch, etc.'
> and to *wak-s- 'grow', and hence to PIE h2weg^- 'increase, rise, be
> strong' (nomen omen, a vast etymological cluster). The connection

of

> the maritime semantic extension with the rest of this word-family
> is "not impossible", according to the OED, if the freeing of the
> water from ice is regarded as "awakening".
> TP:
> A wake after after a ship can be phosphorescent, in Danish known
> as /mor-ild/. If the ice breaking, coming up from the water, making

a

> luminous trail is connected to the sun instead, this bushy semantic
> cluster become even less impossible. Some Scandinavian rock

carvings

> depict ships carrying symbolic images of the sun (sun wheel). Stone
> solar images have been found here too.
>
> PG:
> PIE *weg^- 'float' is unknown to me.
> >
> > Piotr
> >
> TP:
> Falk & Torp continue:
> IE root *veg^- in Greek hugrós "humid, fluid", Lat. uvidus "humid,
> wet", Old Irish fúal "urine" (from *voglo-). Extended root *vegs,
> *ugs: see ox.
> I assumed /g^/, not /g'/, on no grounds whatsover; Falk & Torp

supply

> no satem cognates.

And since I happened to look at those pages:
/urokse/
...
OHG ûro, ûrohso (German /Auerochs/). Germanic *uru- corresponding to
Lat. urus, Byz ouros. The word is commonly seen as coming from *uzru-
, compared to Sanskr. usrá- "ox", which again seems identical to
usrá- "pertaining to dawn". The meaning would be "the red animal",
which is not persistent with the animal's soot color. Probably
Germanic *uru- belongs with ... *ver- "moisten", cf "ox" from the
root *veks "moisten".

/vaage/ "be awake"
...
IE root *veg- "be powerful, lively", Sanskr. vájra- "thunderbolt" etc.


which all means that with the IE roots *w-d-, *w-g- *w-r-, which are
all connected with water, we can also get both the sun's bull, and
the weapon with which to smite it.

/vaaben/ "weapon"
...
The Old Norse sideform vákn, Old Sw vákn, by dissimilation of the two
labials [TP: !? Or?], whence Finnish /vaakuna/

Sideform? Does this belong with PIE *w-g-?

>
> Torsten