Re: [tied] Re: south slavic

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From: "Piotr Gasiorowski" <piotr.gasiorowski@...>
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Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: south slavic



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From: alexmoeller@...
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Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: south slavic




The main wave of the migrating Slavs crossed the Danube in AD
551. Fifteen years later the Danubian Gepids were practically
wiped out by the Avars and the Langobards. Your book
apparently confuses the seventh century with the sixth.

[moeller] is not my book. And the same thing say Diculescu and
Schmidt abotu gepides versus slavs

They Proto-Romanians were not particularly strong in their
homeland; they were probably lucky to survive at all, like the
Albanians. But they grew strong little by little as they found
a new niche for themselves and out-competed other colonisers.
Note that Romanian has only three loans from Slavic with
unmetathesised -arC- or -alC- (as far as I'm aware), while
there are numerous examples of such forms e.g. in the Slavic
toponymy of Greece. It seems, therefore, that intensive
Slavic-Romanian contacts developed relatively late, and that
nearly all the Slavic loans in Romanian were absorbed after
the eighth century -- just as the Vlachs went out into the
historical arena.

Piotr

[Moeller] that would mean until the 8 centuries the romanians
have had just a poor contact with the slavs. So, where could
they have a poor contact with the slavs then? mountains are in
balcans, but they are in dacia too. 50% to 50% here:-)
The vlaho-bulgaro empire would say at the time of Assan they
was strong enough because other way we cannot have had a
"vlaho"-bulgar empire.
And even if they were strong enough Assan got help from north
of Danube from "vlahs and cummans". You will ask me what does
speak about valahs in north of Danube. I will tell you again
about the wars of Manuel I Comnenus against bulgarians and, in
the year 1160, teh Manuel II eliberated from captivity of
cummand a guy "Satos" or "Sotas" which is described to have
been "the ruler of the north valahians".
I wondered allways why the south slavs used for valahian from
south of danube " beli vlasi" and for valachians of north of
danube " cernii vlasii".
The same thing, later, the turks used kara-iflak there.