Re: [tied] Re: "The hunt for Odin"

From: george knysh
Message: 15313
Date: 2002-09-09

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > > What is it about this theory of a southeastern
> > > component in
> > > demographics and mythology in North West Europe
> that
> > > makes it
> > > anathema to so many? I fail to get it.
> Personally
> > > I've earned a
> > > specific injunction on this list against
> pursueing
> > > this idea plus
> > > several vicious personal attacks against which
> no
> > > one intervened. Why
> > > must this area of Europe be pristine and free of
> > > outside influences
> > > since the Bronze age?
> >
> > *****GK: Please don't be disingenuous Torsten. I
> think
> > very few people would object all that strongly if
> at
> > all (I know I certainly wouldn't) to your
> statement as
> > put above. "The devil is in the details". For
> > instance, I find Pritsak's theory that the younger
> > futhark had to be the product of an individual or
> > individuals familiar with the Turkic runic system
> > which emerged in the 6th century quite intriguing
> and
> > worthy of study. As is his view that Snorri
> created
> > the whole "Odin" story to explain earlier contacts
> > along the Volga between Baltic and Caspian.No one
> can
> > deny the reality of Scandinavian connections with
> > southeastern Europe, going back very far in time
> > indeed (at least the 4th millennium BC according
> to
> > one variant of the spread of IE in Europe), and
> > continuing in various forms to our day. But when
> you
> > attempt to take the Snorri tale of Odin from
> Asgard
> > literally and place it in a firm 1rst c. BC
> setting
> > (somewhat like Heyerdahl) that's a different
> kettle of
> > fish. There is no evidence whatsoever for this,
> > historical, linguistic,, archaeological etc etc
> etc..
> > And your attempts to insist on desperately
> twisting
> > all available facts to at least provide the veneer
> of
> > a semblance of something plausible in the tale as
> > literally put is what eventually earned you what
> you
> > complain about.******
>
> I see nothing here but a smear against me and a
> misrepresentation of
> the facts. I have tried to provide facts to show
> there is such a
> connection. Your diatribe can't change that. I
> quoted Albrectsen at
> length on Roman Iron Age finds on Fyn, a subject you
> were apparently
> unfamiliar with. Explain the finds of Isis cult
> paraphernalia there
> if you can. And, please, do not supply answers of
> the follwing type:
>
> 1) Character assassination of your opponent
>
> 2) Patronizing generalities of the type "there is no
> evidence
> anywhere to suggest". Stick to the issue at hand.
>
> Torsten

*****GK: Goodbye Mr. Pedersen. I have no further time
to waste on you and your Odin fantasies. Had you
provided the glimmer of the beginning of an argument
to support your notion of a 1rst c. BC "Odin
migration" from Azov to Scandinavia, you would not
have been asked to refrain from continuing to flog
that dead horse. The only "issue" here is your
pertinacity.*******
>
>
>


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