Re: [tied] Unvoiced [j]?

Thanks all who replied to this. Just to set the record straight, for
those who know Hungarian phonetics well, is <j> in Hungarian a fricative
in any position (in all positions?), other than the example discussed
where it realized as [ç], a fric. afaik (and is also unvoiced)?

Is there an unvoiced counterpart to [w] aswell?

thanks

Harald

On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:

> Not all fricatives are sibilants. IPA uses the same symbol [j] for both the
> palatal semivowel and the palatal fricative (in many languages [j] is
> close enough for some friction to be audible). It's voiceless
> counetrpart
> is [ç], the sound of German <ich>. BTW, [pç] is a frequent reflex of old
> palatalised "p" /p'/ in some Polish dialects, also word-finally (where
> /p'/ has fallen together with /p/ in standard Polish).
>
> Piotr
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Harald Hammarstrom
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:32 AM
> Subject: [tied] Unvoiced [j]?
>
>
> Hi experts!
> I am beginning to learn Hungarian and this is what my book says on
> page four:
> "There is however an unvoiced variant of the voiced fricative (sic)
> j in a special phonetic situation: after unvoiced consonants at the
> end of a word kapj 'may you have'"
>
> An unvoiced j??? Is the author confused (I mean afaik <j> in
> Hungarian is rather an approximant than a sibiland) or does such a
> thing exist in Hungarian? What does it sound like? kap + whispering j?
>
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