Re: [tied] Unvoiced [j]?

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 15071
Date: 2002-09-04

Not all fricatives are sibilants. IPA uses the same symbol [j] for both the palatal semivowel and the palatal fricative (in many languages [j] is close enough for some friction to be audible). It's voiceless counetrpart is [ç], the sound of German <ich>. BTW, [pç] is a frequent reflex of old palatalised "p" /p'/ in some Polish dialects, also word-finally (where /p'/ has fallen together with /p/ in standard Polish).
 
Piotr
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Harald Hammarstrom
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:32 AM
Subject: [tied] Unvoiced [j]?

Hi experts!
I am beginning to learn Hungarian and this is what my book says on
page four:
"There is however an unvoiced variant of the voiced fricative (sic)
j in a special phonetic situation: after unvoiced consonants at the
end of a word kapj 'may you have'"

An unvoiced j??? Is the author confused (I mean afaik <j> in
Hungarian is rather an approximant than a sibiland) or does such a
thing exist in Hungarian? What does it sound like? kap + whispering j?