Re: [tied] Re: lat. barbatus

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 14603
Date: 2002-08-27

I know that site. The argument that the relation between sound and meaning is _in principle_ non-arbitrary is specious and easily falsifiable. Just look at a page of text in a language you know nothing about (e.g. Mari, Arrernte, Burushaski or Navaho) and try to guess the meaning, even approximately (assuming that the text does not contain familiar loanwords). The experiment proposed by the site owner is so hopelessly subjective that it's sure to be "successful", but what of that? To go over the top like that means to throw the baby out with the bath water: interesting ideas degenerate into a monomaniacal idée fixe. If the author were right, historical linguistics would be impossible, since it's precisely where the sound-meaning association is non-arbitary that we can expect words to develop in aberrant ways (so that the association can be maintained).
 
Piotr
 
 
 
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From: richardwordingham
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Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:55 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: lat. barbatus


For the 'ba' theme (what is the correct technical word?) the site http://www.conknet.com/~mmagnus/ on phonosemantics may be useful background.  That site considers single phonemes, rather than groups, but the principle is the same.