Re: [tied] Re: Cimbri

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 14552
Date: 2002-08-26

If you refer back to the earlier discussions of this problem on Cybalist, and in particular
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/6816
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/6866
 
... you will find Chris Gwinn's patient explanation why this proposition is impossible. Cymru derives from *com-brogia via pretty recent Brittonic (or rather early Welsh-Cumbric) sound changes. Chris also explains why the term can't have been coined before that time. A hypothetical Common Celtic *com-mrogi:, corresponding to the Brittonic term, is surely much less attractive as the etymology of "Cimmerian" or "Cimbri", let alone both ;)
 
Piotr
 
 
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From: tgpedersen
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Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 12:49 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: Cimbri

 
... But consider this: <Cymru> has an etymology. Neither <Cimbri> nor <Cimmerian> do. Perhaps we might let that etymology do service for all three? But that would make the
Cimmerians Celtic too. Eg:

700 BCE Cimmerians are forced to leave Pontic area north of the Black Sea.
700 - 500 BCE The Hallstatt culture
500 BCE What was once called "Celtic Iron Age" (now "Pre-Roman Iron Age") begins in Denmark. Invasion of Cimbri/Cimmerians?

Question: Is Hallstatt = the Cimmerians?