lat. barbatus

From: alexmoeller@...
Message: 14522
Date: 2002-08-25

Mr. Miguell argued -as I supposed bãiat, bãrbat, bãtran are
maybe the evolutions of the same root- that it cannot be true
because of the :
bãiat>lat. veliatus(?)
bãrbat>lat. barbatus
bãtrân>lat. veteranus
So these 3 words we have to assume they are latin. but we have
still some more
bã> unknow ethymology.
barba
Bart
beard
barbaros

I would like to add here that the roumanians, use for calling
someone who is a male with a short word like "bã, or bãh , bãi
and mã or mãh, mãi". This is not the case for feminine where
they use "fã, or fãh, fãi".
I found out that these words are all refering to male and are
composed with this bã- with some diferent desinences..
bã, bãiat,bãrbat, bãtrân
So, these are the points who made me to think if there is
maybe a common root .
Bãiat:
the rumanians have had a tradition where the new born childern
in the case they were boys, were brought in winter to a river
and submerged into water. The kids who survived, where
considered to be "îmbãiat" from this >bãiat, kinda the one who
survived this bath. One cann argue that this is maybe an
christian tradition, but the word for the christian tradition
is botez, a boteza= to baptise. Îmbãia means to bath and it is
a construction of prefix îm +bãia .The tradition is mentained
today in a christian form where adults swimm in winter into
water for bringing a cross back. So much about what I cann
connect to bãiat.

Bãrbat:
Miguell argued this is a latin word. I know now in Corfu there
is a place caled Barbatus, so we will conclude this is a greek
word. But barbatus/varvatus is not a greek word, this one
beeing from pre-helenic times. I am not so sure but
barbarus/varvarus is kinda likely with barbatus/varvatus sa I
guess somewhere else is the link.

Bãtrân:
I still dont have nothing to corelate with, beside the latin
veteranus.

If there will be a link to find, regarding the bãtrân , then
is for sure they are all the product of the same root.Maybe
even the word barba, beard, Bart are the evolutions of the
same root. Any Ideeas?
regards

a. moeller