Re: [tied] The phonetic value of PIE *h3 and the 'drink' root.

On Tue, 06 Aug 2002 08:14:15 +0000, "Glen Gordon"
<glengordon01@...> wrote:

>Miguel:
>>That is simply not true. When *pek^u- "cattle"
>>becomes *pk^u-,
>
>We certainly don't find *pk^u- within the
>declensional paradigm of *pek^u- (and we wouldn't
>because *e is always paradigmatically strengthened
>in nouns to avoid assyllabicity of the root).
>The stem *pk^u- may exist as part of another stem,
>but not as part of the declension of *pek^u-.
>
>Since I was refering to paradigmatic strengthening
>of *e in _nouns_, all other "counterexamples" you've
>mentioned are irrelevant because they are verbal.

We were talking about Ablaut in general. What you said was that "the
root CANNOT lose its syllabicity within a paradigm".

>The ablaut of athematic verbs (such as *?es-/*?s- and
>*?ei-/*?i-) is completely expected due to the shift
>in accent placement.

But exactly the same shift in accent placement (when a syllabic ending
is added) happens in the nouns/adjectives as well.

>The zero-grading of verbs
>with an accented *e- augment is also normal and
>expected.

Maybe it should be normal and expected, but it doesn't happen: the
augment has no effect on the Ablaut of the root.

If we have a root structure *CeC and a syllabic ending (e.g. *-es) is
added to it, the rules of PIE Ablaut demand that the result be *CeC-és

> *CC-és, whether the root is verbal or nominal. On the other hand,

with a root structure *CoC/*Ce:C the result will be *CoC-és/*Ce:C-és >
*CeC-és > *CéC-es > *CéC-s. This is true for *both* nouns and verbs,
with the proviso that there is only a very small number of root nouns
of the structure *CeC (the only example that comes readily to mind is
*sé:m-s, *sm-és, f. *sm-íh2 "one"), and only a small number of verbal
roots of the structure *Ce:C/*CoC (such as the "Narten-presents").


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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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