Re: Samudra and Rigveda

From: tgpedersen
Message: 13966
Date: 2002-07-06

--- In cybalist@..., "vishalsagarwal" <vishalagarwal@...> wrote:
> Dear List members,
>
> A rejoinder to Professor Witzel's article '"A Maritime Rigveda? How
> not to read the Ancient Texts" (The Hindu, 25 June 2002) has been
now
> published by Sri David Frawley.
>
> The title of the rejoinder is "WITZEL'S VANISHING OCEAN – HOW TO
READ
> VEDIC TEXTS ANY WAY YOU LIKE" and it is available at
>
> 1. HTML version
>
> http://www.bharatvani.org/davidfrawley/ReplytoWitzel.html
>
> 2. Downloadable Word document (29 pages long) at
>
> http://www.bharatvani.org/davidfrawley/ReplytoWitzel.doc
>
> The article has a long appendix, which is chapter VIII of his
recent
> book "Rigveda and the History of India".
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Vishal Agarwal

From the recesses of my memory comes Paul Benedict: Proto-Austronesian
(?)(-Austric?): *boRats- "rice" (-> Sanskrit <vrihi> "rice") Please
don't kill me for any inaccuracies, I can't locate a reference now.
Bur compare this to various glosses in

http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/Opr.html

among them:

"
HSED 224:
*bar-/*bur- "grain, cereal" Semitic

*barr-/*burr- Semitic
burru "cereal" Akkadian
bar "cereal" Hebrew
ba:r "cereal" Hebrew
burr- "wheat" Arabic
br "wheat" South Arabian
bor "wheat" Soqotri
barr "wheat" Mehri
barr "wheat" S^h.eri

*bVr- Berber
a-Bar-&n "flour" Ghadames
&Br-u:n "sorghum" Awjila
a-bora "sorghum" Ayr
a-bo:ra "sorghum" Ahaggar
a-bo:ra "sorghum" Tawlemmet
bu:ru "bread" Zenaga

*bar-/*bur- West Chadic
biri "kind of flour" Hausa
with assimilation of vowels >
buri "kind of flour" Hausa
redupl.
barbari "gruel" Ngizim

*bar-/bur- East Chadic
bura "flour" Sumray
bar^ "flour" Tumak
derivative with *ku-
ku-b&ra "flour" Kabalay
ku-bra "kind of millet" Lele

*bur- "groats" Agaw
bura "groats" Xamir

*bur- "wheat" Lowland
East Cushitic
bur "wheat" Somali

b.uru "maize" Dahalo

*bar- "grain" Rift
baru "grain" Burunge

HSED 1983:
*pir- "fruit, corn"

*pir- "fruit" Semitic
pr "fruit" Phoenician
pr "fruit" Ugaritic
p&ri: "fruit" Hebrew
pe:ra: "fruit" Syrian Aramaic
f&re "fruit" Geez
cf.
ferra:t "unripe fruit" Harsusi
ferra:t "unripe fruit" Mehri
ferrot "unripe fruit" S^h.eri

*far- "corn" Berber
a-faro "corn" Guanche
The vocalisation may reflect a different alternation grade.

pr.t "fruit, crop, seed" Egyptian
(Old Kingdom)

*fir- Agaw
fir "fruit" Bilin
fira "fruit" Xamir
fira "fruit" Kwara
fira "fruit" Demben
fir "corn" Kemant

*fir- "fireworm, fruit" Saho-Afar
fire "fireworm, fruit" Saho

*fir- "fruit" Lowland
East Cushitic
firi "fruit" Oromo

"

see also similar IE words for "sprout, bloom etc" in IE languages.
HSED V. E. Orel &
O. V. Stolbova Hamito-Semitic Etymological Dictionary
E. J. Brill 1995

Torsten