Re: [tied] Nostratic's New Guinea HomeSubject:  Re: [tied] Nostra

From: x99lynx@...
Message: 13615
Date: 2002-05-02

Michal wrote:
<<And I don't think it is very likely (though not impossible) that this
requirement was met. Firstly, since the sister branches of 09 haplogroup are
quite frequent mostly in Near East, Caucasus and Europe, it is not likely
that all these branches originated in New Guinea. More likely, the common
ancestor of those sister branches lived close to Near East (especially if we
remember that his ancestors came from Africa).>>

I'll try to get to the rest of your posts soon and again I appreciate the
effort you've put into this.

(Let me point out as an aside that there's nothing I said that indicates all
the "sister branches" of 09 originated in New Guinea. If by sister branches
you mean the derived 09 types, they are all descended from 09, but they could
have arisen anywhere the original 09 eventually went. If you mean by "sister
branches" other mutations that share the same immediate ancestor with 09, I
certainly did not indicate in any way they originated in New Guinea. The
only requirement for 09 to originate in New Guinea or South East Asia is for
some representative of its immediate ancestor to be there. Everything else
could have originated somewhere else.)

But let me ask you just this quick question. This picture of the early
spread of the Y-Chromosome in theory represents the spread of all (male)
modern humans. What haplotypes do you think represents the spread of
humanity into South East Asia - possibly the area of the most concentrated
population on earth for as long as we have reliable evidence? At what times
do you believe those genes arrived and how does it jive with this study? Or
with the archaeology of modern humans in South East Asia? And finally how do
you account for the concentration of original 09 types in New Guinea? And
how does that affect your certainly about other concentrations of other
haplotypes in other areas that fit your theory better?

Steve