Re: [tied] Re: Anatolia in 7500BC

I do not understand your phrase "When writing begins".
Do you have in mind writing with letters (creation of
an alphabet) or you have in mind pictograph,ideograph,
cuneiform, hieroglyphs etc? They all are different
kinds of writings. We notice elements of
letter-writing in Sumerian heritage about 5000BC. We
trace elements in Egyptian hieroglyphs. The alphabet
is more or less a semitic finding. about 2000bc
--- Gevork Kherlopian <kherlop@...> wrote:

> We speak not of IE, but about proto IE who were in
> the
> area from 10 000 BC. Each IE language has its
> layers.
> The remnants of PIE are on the first strata which
> has
> been just started to be revealed. At least we know
> that most of the plant name of that has reached from
> that strata belong to that area. Mankind lived in
> that
> area, The Armenian Plateau, has been inhabited
> millions and millions years ago. The findings
> indicate
> the existence of neither mongoloids, nor negroids,
> but
> IE bone structures of the skull and body. At the
> same
> time the area, even before the Bronze age, has been
> a
> point of interaction of many tribes not only of IE
> but
> of semitic, negroid, Caucasian even mongoloid
> origin.
>
> --- x99lynx@... wrote:
> > Glen wrote:
> > <<The fact remains that there is no trace of
> > IndoEuropean or ANY Steppe
> > language to be found in Anatolia when writing
> first
> > begins.>>
> >
> > QUICK CORRECTION: When writing "first begins" in
> > Anatolia, it IS in a
> > Indo-European language. I believe the earlier
> > Assyrian texts (@1900) which
> > apparently showed first evidence of IE (in
> Anatolia)
> > were found in modern
> > Syria. It may be asking too much on the other hand
> > for the very first first
> > writing, in Sumerian Mesopotamia, to evidence
> > language elsewhere.
> >
> > Not that any of this is particularly probative of
> > anything in 7500BC. But if
> > one invokes the first writing as some kind of
> better
> > evidence, then when we
> > ACTUALLY have DIRECT AND VERIFIABLE evidence of
> any
> > language in central or
> > western Anatolia, it is IE. And since this is the
> > first direct evidence of
> > IE, one might question whether it is strictly
> > appropriate to call it a
> > "Steppe" language. (Except to the extent that the
> > plateau of central Asia
> > Minor for 1000's of years BC is classifiable as
> > "steppic".)
> >
> > S.
> >
>
>
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