Re: [tied] Marx and Engels are Baltic deities

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 12623
Date: 2002-03-06

Why can't Odin's names like Valtamr or Vegtamr be what they seem to be, i.e. transparent Norse epithets, like a hundred or so others?
 
But look here:
 
The Old Prussian Enchiridion (1561) mentions what must be ancient Baltic deities disguised as Christian saints or celestial beings. Search the following page:
 
http://www.kortlandt.nl/editions/ench.html
 
... and you will discover references to <swints Engels> (79:19, 81:19) and <swints Marx> (111:19). [I owe this observation to W. Schmalstieg.] The worship of Marx and Engels was briefly reestablished in the same part of Europe almost 400 years later, and they were claimed to have been real people, prophets of a popular religion of the time. Narrow-minded historians ascribed to them the autorship of a holy brochure dated at AD 1848. But if that were true, why are their names mentioned in _exactly_ the right form in an Old Prussian document?
 
"Coincidence"?
 
Piotr
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: tgpedersen
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 4:45 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: I, Hercules [was: A "Germanic" query]

I would be surprised if the Georgian name Vakhtang didn't have something to do with V&r&Tragna too. Which makes Odin's names Vegtam (road master?) and Valtam (battle master?) look suspicious too. Folk etymologies based on the name of V&r&Tragna in some other (now lost) language?