Re: [tied] PIE stops

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From: Miguel Carrasquer Vidal

To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:58 PM

Subject: Re: [tied] PIE stops

> Furthermore, we have cases in Latin with /f/ preserved in the Inlaut
(<nefrones>, and the */dhr/ > /tr/ words I mentioned in another
message).

 

<nefro:nes> is not so much Latin as Praenestine, with <f> standing for a dialectal fricative (plus folk-etymological "analysis": ne-frend-). The normal development is -b-, as in <e:brius> (cf. <nebrundines>). I am not entirely convinced that e.g. <traho> and <draw> are cognate, but even if they are, *Dr- > *dr- (before the devoicing of *D-) > *tr- (as usual in Latin) is thinkable.

 

>>If in your "Graeco-Italic" zone *dH = /tH/, how do we get /d/ in Macedonian (a _very_ close relative of Greek)

 

> Well, you tell *me*.  We can argue about Italic, but Greek *has* */dh/ > /th/.

That's why I separate the Greek and Italic developments. Macedonian is practically a Greek dialect, and Phrygian looks rather closely related; both have voiced stops as reflexes of the {dH} series. What this indicates, as far as I'm concerned, is that the devoicing _and_ strong aspiration of *dH (> *tH) is an inner Greek innovation, not shared even with its nearest cousins, let alone Italic.

 

Piotr