Re: Scythian tribal names

--- In cybalist@..., tgpedersen@... wrote:

> --- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>
> > To sum up, names with (Greek) <-a-tai> and <-e-tai> can be

treated

> as extensions of originally shorter ethnonyms. Their characteristic
> feature is the presence of *-ta:, Hellenised like the plural of

Greek

> stems in -te: < *-ta: (i.e. with <-tai>), and always with a

voiceless

> stop (rather than anything rendered <-toi> or <-doi>). Attempts to
> etymologise such names in Iranian terms should begin by stripping

off

> the pluralising suffix. So much for starters; I'll try to deal with
> individual items later on.
> >
> > Piotr
>
> That being so I shall not tarry in mentioning some possible As-
> references from
>
> Strabo, Geography:
>
> 7.6.1
> (... Apolonnia .. a territory belonging to the Apolloniatae...)
>
> ... and all who are cast ashore on this beach are plundered by the
> Astae, a Thracian tribe, who are situated above it...
>
> 7.6.2
> ... And above Byzanthium is situated the tribe of the Astae, in

whose

> territory is a city Calybe [called Pliny and others Cabyle] where
> Philip the son of Amynthas settled the most villanous people of his
> kingdom...
>
> 7.47 (fragment)
> ...Bizye [(now Visa) was the home of King Tereus (in the story of
> Philomela and Procne) and was the residence of the last Thracian
> dynasty, which was the stock of the Odrysae.] was the royal

residence

> of the Astae. The term "Odrysae" is applied by some to all the
> peoples living above the seaboard from the Hebrus and Cypsela [now
> Ipsala] as far as Odessus [now Varna]...
>
> Torsten

And:

As + tae (plural suffix)
*Azdai (voicing)
*Azd- (false division)
*Azd-ing- (Germanic suffix)
=
Asdingi

Torsten