Re: Colchians, circumcision and hypergamy (was Vanir)

--- In cybalist@..., jdcroft@... wrote:

> Torsten wrote
>
> > Jordanes says that this happened some generations before the time

of

> > "Vesosis", that is, Sesostris (the corrupt forms Sesosis, Vesosis
> > appear also in Justin's history); no matter which Sesostris is
> > meant the exodus must have taken place before the middle of the
> > second millennium B.C
>
> There has been confusion between the Sesostris of Herodotus and at
> least two Egyptian monarchs Rameses II (called Sese) and Senusret

III

> (1878-1841 BCE according to Clayton). Both saw themselves as great
> conquering monarchs. Despite huge successes against the Nubians in
> ye 12 & 15 of his 35 year long reign, Senusret did not campaign
> widely in Asia - this as I mentioned before is vague memories of
> Rameses II's own campaigns at Kadesh.

If you say so. The Vesosis is not a great conquering monarch in
Jodanes' account. Are you saying he is confusing the Goths with the
Hittetes? How long do you think he could hold on to a job in
Constantinople if he did that?

>
> > Could you provide examples of that, other than Egyptians and
> > Colchidians (and Sea Peoples, then! *D-n-n among them? Hm.),

within

> > Herodotus' horizon? That would be nice.
>
> I have been hunting them for some time. I feel that by the time of
> Herodotus, circumcision (as a result of invasions by non-

circumcising

> Phrygians and Armenians) was confined to a few people were left
> usually in out of the way, remote locations. The Anabasis of
> Xenophon is a good place to start searching.
>
> Regards
>
> John

Good hunting! Please post them on cybalist when you find them. In the
meanwhile I will continue to believe with Herodotus, that the
Egyptians and the Colchideans (and the Sea Peoples!) were the only
circumcisers (and sister-humpers!) in the area.

BTW I believe circumcision was exported southwards; and now I read
that the Chad languages were much closer to Egyptian than many other
languages?

Torsten