Re: [tied] -inthos, -ssos

At 11:08 19.11.2001 +0000, you wrote:

>Apsinthos, Apsynthos (Dion., Steph. Byz.) - a frontier river and a
>main settlement of the tribe of Apsinthioi (Hdt.) to the north of the
>Thracian Chersones (modern Galipoli peninsula); Apsinthis (Apsynthis)
>(Strab., Steph. Byz.) - the country of the same tribe. The name is
>linked with apsinthion `wormwood', a word thought to be of Pelasgian
>origin in the Greek language, or with the Illyrian river name Apsus,
>derived from the IE *a^p- respectively *ab- `water, river'. My
>opinion is that it is probably connected with the IE *apsa: `aspen',
>attested in the Latv. apse, the Old-Pruss. abse, the Lith. apus^e:,
>the Pol. osa, osina, Old-HighGerman aspa. Compare with the Old-Pruss.
>place name Abs-medie, Ans-wangen, the Lith. Aps^-lavas (a lake), the
>river name Aps^-riuotis.

We can add also Apsorrus (Ptol.), Absortium (Plin.), an island in Illyria.
But what is the suffix ?
(r(t)i- > -rr- seems to be an Illyrian feature, there is some trace of this
in Messapic)

>Périnthos (Hdt., Ptol.), Perinthus (Liv., Plin.) - town on Propontida
>in Thracia, today Heraclea, the Turkish Eregli. The name is probably
>an extension with the IE suffix -nt-, resp. -ent- of the stem *per(u)-
> `a rock', in the Hett. peruna- `a rock' and the Old-Ind. párvata- `a
>mountain' - the IE *per-to-. A genetic link with the name of the
>Bulgarian mountain of Pirin (Perin) is doubtful.

Can we add Perusia (Umbria) ?
An old etymology reported in the Italian dictionary of toponyms, Univ. of
Turin, compared this name with germ. sperber, lat. parra 'a bird'

>Ze:'rynthos (Steph. Byz.), Ze:'rybthion (Suid.), Ze:'rinthon (Schol.
>ad Lykophr.), Ze:'rynthon (Etym. M.), Zerynthium (Liv.) - a cave and
>a town on the island of Samothraci and in Thracia. The name can be
>compared to the Lith. river name z^veriñc^ius from the basis z^verint-
>, a derivative from the Lith. verìs `a beast', related to the Old-
>Bulg. zver& `a beast', the Greek the:r - from the IE *g'WHe:r-.

There was a Zerax (Plin.) in Greece, but it was in Argolis, probably
nothing to do with Thracian

>BTW, please note
>
>Germanía (Prok.) - town in the region of Pautalia (Kjustendil),
>today - Sapareva banja. The town was situated along the river of
>Dzherman, previously known as Germanica (1378 AD), German (1479),
>from the antique German-. It is explained from the IE *ghermo- `warm'
>in the Old-Ind. gharmá `heat', the Armen. jerm `warm', the Greek
>themós `the same'. The Thracian village obviously got its name from
>the river name of *Germana (resp. -as). Similar name is attested in
>the Baltics: Germona (in a Russian source from 1559 AD).
>
>Did the Odin people stay here before moving on to Saxland, named
>Germani?

There were also Germisara and Germizera in Dacia.
The first name is explainable as 'warm stream'.
For the second, who has a suggestion ?
By the way, in ancient Germania, we can find at least one place-name that
looks like dacian: Setidava, by the Vistula fl.
Other place-names in -dava are found only in Dacia prope dicta, Moesia
(also populated by daco-mysian speakers) and Illyria (but in the very
eastern zone later called Dacia Mediterranea), as far as I know. So there
were Dacians in present-day Poland, close to the Baltic and to Germany.
Would you dream for a while that Germani comes from a place-name *Germa(-s)
(the warm (land)) somewhere in greater-Dacia (or possibly Thracia, but
probably *Germana would have given another ethnic name) ?