Re: [tied] Ancient toponimy

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 10885
Date: 2001-11-01

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From: Dr. Antonio Sciarretta
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Ancient toponimy

> ii) it could be, as proposed recently by F. Villar, that /a/ languages represent the older IE layer, while the separation of /o/ being a later development in Celtic, Latin etc. In this case, the real IE root would be *al-/el-. I am not expert of phonetics, so I would like to know if this suggestion has found agreement among scholars.
 
It's hard to assume a late split of *a into *o/*a, since that would presuppose an unlikely phonological conspiracy between far-flung peripheral groups. A merger (even one carried out independently in several groups) is far more probable. It is therefore commonly assumed that (non-Anatolian IE) *a/*o > *a was an areal tendency affecting the "North IE" dialects irrespective of their genetic subgrouping, but leaving out (Proto-)Armenian, Greek, Italic, Celtic, etc. -- including even the ancestor of Indo-Iranian. Names with *a for expected *o in "Italo-Celtic" Europe may point to prehistoric linguistic intrusions (inasmuch as the etymologies in questions are correct -- *al- and *ol-/*el- may after all be different roots).

> By the way, in Olontigi I see an hybrid toponym, formed by a substratum IE (Celtiberian) name *Olontium or something similar (cfr. Alontium in Sicily), plus a basque ending -egi/-tegi 'top' that could explain several endings in -igi/-tigi (just with this characteristic alternation of the basque suffix after a dental or not) in the southern Spain region. This since I think that basque could be a superstratum language to IE languages in Hispania and Aquitania, rather than a substratum.
 
Whatever happened in this particular case, it is in general common for superimposed languages to assimilate the local placenames morphologically, to reanalyse them, or to adorn them with new elements, creating hybrid toponyms or tautological combinations like the River Avon 'River River'.
 
Piotr