--- Miguel Carrasquer Vidal <
mcv@...> wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:30:35 -0800 (PST), george
> knysh
> <gknysh@...> wrote:
initial agriculturalization produced "small
> >islands of farmers" among "the immense sea of
> >foragers" (p. 590).
>
>MCV: I don't think that's entirely accurate. In
terms of
> surface, yes, in
> terms of demographics, I'd like to point out that
> quote from Renfrew
> again, where it is stated that early Neolithic
> farming allowed for a
> population density of what was it, 5000%? higher
> than
> hunting-gathering.
*****GK: Nowak does not tackle the issue directly. He
merely notes that the agricultural "enclaves" once
established did not spread, that the preparatory work
for the introduction of farming in the forested areas
was done by the foragers themselves (the "enclaved"
peoples did not profit from the immense "forest
clearings" done by their neighbours), and once the
breakthrough to TRB was made "late post-LBK units
gradually adopted it" (p. 591) and disappeared as
distinct cultures. I would assume that even if the
density of the "agricultural enclaves" was somewhat
higher than that of the foragers, it was hardly of the
% stipulated by Renfrew. They would not be able to
feed such increases on their enclaves. And once the
foragers moved to the TRB phase, their density would
presumably also increase, which explains the easy
assimilation of the post-LBK groups into the new
farmer culture. BTW Nowak also notes that "pockets" of
Mesolithic type foragers continued to exist until
appr. 2500 BC. but now it is they who formed the
"enclaves".******
>
> >GK:Nowak argues that it is only by
> >and by that these foragers became interested in
> >farming. But the break came shortly after 4000 BC.
> He
> >considers the TRB (Funnel Beaker culture) to be not
> so
> >much a development of previous farming communities
> as
> >a creation of Mesolithic ex-foragers ready to make
> the
> >transition to agriculture. The rest (incl. his
> >arguments {from Mesolithic "forest management" to
> >"farming") I omit here.===
>
>MCV: He certainly has a point for the
Erteb�lle-Ellerbek
> culture.
****GK: He also makes a point of distinguishing his
foragers from the Ertebolle people, by pointing out
that the TRB (Funnel Beaker) pottery in this area was
quite distinct from and independent of Ertebolle
traditions.*****
>
>
>
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