Re: Question from the back row (Was Re: [tied] Finnish hevonen "hor

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 10775
Date: 2001-10-31

I've been thinking about it myself. If one insists on connecting <aqua> with *h2ap- (which is found in some Satem groups, where *k^W and *kW are not confusible), *h2akW- is the preferred choice. Both Germanic *ahWo: 'water, river' and its Vernerian cognate *agW-jo: > *awjo: 'island' can easily derive from it. Pokorny suggests that Germanic *a in this word alternates with *e: -- e.g. OE ae:g-weard 'ocean-watch' and ON æ:gir 'god of the stormy ocean' could in theory derive from something like *e:kW(i)jó- -- but I am not convinced.
 
*ek^wos (omitting the laryngeal) is almost generally regarded as related to *o:k^u- 'swift', though not without formal problems, usually dealt with in an ad-hoc manner. To be frank, I am not sure what to make of the long vocalism of *o:k^u-, and I'm not willing to multiply laryngeals ad absurdum (*h1oh3k^u- is hardly elegant, and the necessity of deriving *ek^wos via a monstrosity like *h1h3k^w-o- only adds to the embarrassment). I suppose we haven't yet discovered all that can be known about PIE vrddhi (morphological vowel-lengthening); *o:k^u- and *ek^wos will perhaps be reduced to something more elementary like *h1ek^-u- one day (this reminds me of the "bird/egg" business and putative *h2ewi-s : h2o:wi-o-m).
 
<SPECULATION> Perhaps we should reverse the derivational relation and derive the adjective "swift" from the noun "horse" rather than the other way round. *h1ek^-u- would be formally parallel to other livestock terms, namely *pek^-u- and *gWeh3-u- (if this is how *gWou- 'cow' is to be analysed). It has been proposed that Greek (h)ippos/ikkos/*ikwos derives directly from a primitive paradigm like *h1ek^u-/*h1k^w-o- (there are other examples of prothetic /i/ from *h1 before stops), and not from *h1ek^wos as a late thematic variant of (hypothetical) *h1ek^us. </SPECULATION>
 
Piotr
 
 
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Subject: Question from the back row (Was Re: [tied] Finnish hevonen "horse"

*****GK: Working from Latin. Do "aqua" (water) and "equus" (horse) go back to the same phoneme(s) in PIE re their "qu"? *****