Re: [tied] Re: Greek Gods (ex-Odin the Immigrant?)

It's an interesting comparation. I've never thought on this direction.

But I think that the origin of trio Zeus-Poseidon-Hades was Semitic
Baal-Yam-Moth (Storm-Sea-Death)

But perhaps there was a superposition of concepts. There was attempts to
relate Varuna Asura and Slavic Veles. I think Germanic and Prussian trios
were plausibly akin, perhaps a Northern European concept
(Death-Thunder-Fertiliy).

We could try endless different schemes
1st.............. - 2nd..............3rd
Zeus Poseidon Hades
King/Justice/Law War/Violence Fertility,Earth, Wealth

or

1st............................................................2nd..........
...........................3rd
Varuna...................Mitra............................Indra...........Va
yu..............Nasatya
Terrible Sovereign+Lawgiving Sovereign + Thunderer Wind God
Fertility
|
..........................Zeus............................................|.
.... Poseidon.....|......Hades

or


Zeus = Ba'al + *Dyeus +*Perkwunos +
Poseidon = Yam + *Nepo:t + *We:yus
Hades = Moth + *Manus

----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Gwinn <sonno3@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 6:27 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: Greek Gods (ex-Odin the Immigrant?)
> One comparison that I am always struck by, to use a Dumezilian three
> functional approach, is the trio of brothers, Hades, Zeus and
> Poseidon. When looked at in comparison to Baltic, Germanic and Vedic
> trinities, you can start to see some similarities:
>
> ..........1st...............2nd............3rd
> Prussian..Patollo...........Perkuno........Potrimpo
> ..........Death/Cattle......Thunder/War....Water/Fertility
> Norse.....Odinn.............Thorr..........Freyr
> ..........Death/Magic/War...Thunder/War....Fertility
> Vedic.....Varuna............Indra..........Nasatyas
> ..........Death/Magic.......Thunder/War....Horses/Fertility
> Greek.....Hades[Plouton]....Zeus...........Poseidon
> ..........Death/Wealth......Thunder/King...Horses/Water
>
> This is a very cursory list, there are actually more similarities to
> go into, perhaps in the future - but I would highly recommend that
> you check out Garrett Olmsted's "Gods of the Celts and the Indo
> Europeans", in addition to Jaan Puhvel's "Comparative Mythology"
> (which may have already read).
>
> I believe that what has happened in Greece is that some of the
> functions belonging to the 2nd function thunder god as well as the
> first function sovereign god have been meshed together in Zeus.
> Basically, the 2nd function warrior/thunder god took on the name and
> sovereign/patron status of the 1st function sovereign god (*Dyeus)
> and left a void - the 2nd function warrior duties were relegated to
> Ares, and the death-god role was relegated to the chthonic Hades.
>
> - Chris Gwinn
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