Re: [tied] Re: Goths: IE Languages vs Germanic

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 10403
Date: 2001-10-18

This is the conventional orthography used for the older Germanic languages; it is not supposed to be pronounced with a marked English accent :). In <gut-þiuda>, the "thorn" letter <þ> is a fricative, pronounced like English <th> in <thin>, and <iu> is a diphthong [iu] (or [iw], if you prefer). If you've ever met speakers of Welsh English, [iu] is what they have in <new> and <grew>. In <gottHoi>, <tH> (Greek "theta") is an aspirated stop ([tH] with a strong burst). Presumably the same pronunciation was intended by the Roman writers who used the spelling <gothi>. Germanic <þ> was conventionally substituted with <tH> when calqued into Greek/Latin. The pronunciation was not quite the same; it was just the closest approximation available to the Classical writers.
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From: ravi9@...
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:42 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: Goths: IE Languages vs Germanic

--- In cybalist@......, "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@......> wrote:
> This strengthens my guess that <gottHoi> was inluenced by <gutþiuda-
> Piotr
if you indulge my beginner knowledge how are theses words this

GutPiuda _ a 'hard' gut

gott hoi - a ' hard' Gott

Goth     - a soft -th

Are we in essence saying that Goth, gott, and gut are the same.

Incidently 'Gut' - means a group, to emphasize ,a 'close group' in
Hindi, Punjabi.

In english there is often a tendencey to spell words one way and
pronounce them in another way.

In sanskrit, hindi etc the phoenetics and the spelling are close.

Clarification would ne most welcome.



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