Re: Goths: IE Languages vs Germanic

--- In cybalist@..., lsroute66@... wrote:

>
> I WROTE:
> > > The general form and semantics supposedly behind the Goth name
> > > also appear extensively in Greek and to some degree Latin.

This

> > > is what happens with related languages. One IE language may be

as

> > > a good candidate as another.
>
> --- In cybalist@..., tgpedersen@... REPLIED:
> > I don't think I understand the last paragraph. And what would

*got-

> > mean in Greek then? And if it had been a name given by the Greek,
> > you would have expected it to analyzable in Greek?
>
> Before 500 AD, the word "Goth" referring to Goths doesn't appear in
> any langauge but Greek or Latin. For the first hundred years it

only

> appears in Greek. (I'll put aside the Pietrossa stone for now.)

It

> does not appear in Ulfila.

No, strangely enough, the Goths don't seem to be mentioned in the
Bible.

>So, for a half a millenium there is no
> evidence of what the Goths called themselves. After that, they may
> have themselves what the Greeks and Romans called them.
>
> On the other hand, one standard etymology for "Goth" --
> Gmc.*giut/gaut/gut-, PIE *gheu-d- "pour" -- suggests that the word
> itself might be found in other IE languages. And in fact Greek has

a

> huge vocabulary built on "pour" words, some of which may match the
> Grk/Latin <Goth-> perhaps better than <*gud->.

Example?

>And I should say >that
> borrowing here (e.g., Grk > Gothic) might produce a very different
> path of development.

IE *gh > Greek *kh. I wonder what you mean?

>
> Steve Long

Torsten