Re: kronos = kumarpish

From: markodegard@...
Message: 10249
Date: 2001-10-15

I have read suggestions that the word is related to a word (to *(s)ker
perhaps) meaning 'the one who cuts/divides'. The idea is that he
divides day from night and night from day, i.e., he's the god of dawn
and dusk. The castration motif, then, is a later, almost
self-consciously literary development. As for his devouring his
children, the dawn can be seen as devouring the night-sky's landmarks,
only to vomit them back out at dusk.

--- In cybalist@..., "João S. Lopes Filho" <jodan99@...> wrote:
> What's the origin of the god KRONOS?
> Kronos seems to be a Greek equivalent of Hurrian Kumarpish
(etymology?), the god who dethroned the father of gods, castrated him
by swallowing his penis (uuurgh!), and, spitting his semen down to the
earth, gave rise to the newer gods, who would be Kumarpish's foes.
> What gods were born from this event? The usual list is Teshub
(storm-god), Shuwalijash (*Sxwel "sun"?) (or Tashmetu) and Tigris
River. Sometimes it's included Shaushqa and a "love god".
> This event seems to be equivalente to 1)Kronos vomitting his
children, 2) Dionysos rising from Zeus''s thigh 3) Aphrodite borning
in the sea foam from Ouranos's semen.
> In some Semitic mythologies Kumarpish was identified to Dagon
"grain, corn, wheat". So, I think Kronos < *G^r@..., animated form of
neuter *g^r@... "corn, grain", in a non-Greek Kentum IE dialect
(perhaps Hittite-like, or Tocharian-like).
> 1) Anatolian had a god Kumarpish
> 2) Semitic people called him Dagan (DGN)
> 3) Some IE people translated Dagan as *G^r@...
> I think in the archaic form of Theogony, Kronos castrated Ouranos,
swallowed his penis, and spitted the young gods Zeus (Teshub), Hera or
Athena or Aphrodite (Shaushka), and another ones.
> I'm looking for etymologies for Hesiodic and non-Hesiodic Titans'
names: Okeanos,Te:thys, Kreios, Koios, Iapetos (cf. Jafeth),
Eurymedon, Themis, Hyperion, Theia, Mnemosyne, Atlas, Dione, Phoibe:,
> I'd like to see your comments and corrections.