Re: [tied] Re: tr / Phenicians in Brazil

Well, the main sources were the books of L. Schwennhagen, an Austrian who
lived in Brazil, and wanted to prove that Phenicians settled in Brazil.
According to him, the Phoenicians called themselves "Karu People". He wanted
to prove that the defeated people of Trojan war fled to South America. These
theories became so popular in Rio de Janeiro : the Pedra da Gavea, a great
mount in Rio has a peak superficially similar to a bearded head, it's said
there are Phenician letters graved in it, and secret tunnels.
The city of Tutoia in Northern Brazil was etymologized by him as
"Tur-Troia", and he relates Tupian oca "house" to Greek "oikos", Tupian poti
"river" to Greek potamos .As you can see, just sure etymologies. But I like
to confront these odd theories with the current knowledge.
Other base for Schwennhagen's theories was the Amerindian tales of bearded
cultural heroes, like Tupian Sumé (whom the jesuites identified to Sao Tomé
[Saint Thomas]), Aztec Quetzalcoatl and Mayan Kukulkan.

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Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:16 AM
Subject: [tied] Re: tr


> --- In cybalist@..., tgpedersen@... wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Dr. J. G. Th. Graesse (1909)
> > > >
> > > > Orbis Latinus
> > > >
> > > > at: http://www.cuni.cz/~pribrami/ruzne/Graesse/contents.html
> > > >
> > > > Thuringia, -i, -ea, Thoringi, Thyringia, Thuringei, Toringa, -
> ia,
> > Tur-
> > > > , Taringi, Toringaba, -guba, Loringi, Duringi, -a
> > > >
> > > > Thüringen, region between Harz and Thüringerwald.
> > > >
> > > > which is interesting, since, judging by the -leben place names
> > > > (corresponding to the -lev and -löv names in Denmark (minus
> > > > Nørrejylland) and Scania), this is where "Odin" founded his
> > nation in
> > > > Germany.
> > > >
> > > > Turoni, Metropolis civitas Turonum, Turonorum, Turonensium or
> > > > Turenorum, Augusta Turonum, T(h)oronus, Turonica civitas,
> > > > Caesarodunum
> > > >
> > > > Tours, city, France (Indre-et-Loire).
> > > >
> > > > home town of the Celtic tribe of Turones, and of Gregory of
> Tours,
> > > > who also writes of the Trojan connection of the Franks
> > > >
> > > > Turicum (Helvetiorum), -gum, Thuregum, Tigurum, Duregum,
> Thuricum,
> > > > Duorum regium, Turegum, Thuricina civitas, Durae aquae, Thirigum
> > > > (Zuercensis)
> > > >
> > > > Zürich, city, Switzerland.
> > > >
> > > > meaning?
> > > >
> > > > Torsten
> > > >
> > > >
> > --- In cybalist@..., "João S. Lopes Filho" <jodan99@...> wrote:
> > > I think this attempt to look for TUR-cities and relate all them
> is
> > similar
> > > to attempts of relate all places with a supposed *KAR- preffix.
> > This KAR
> > > preffix was considered a prove of link between West Asia and
> > America.
> > > cf. Tupian Cari "white man, European", Caribe, Caraiba,
> > Carioca "white man's
> > > house", Karnak, Carnacum, Carinthia, Caria, Caru, [Hali]
> karnassos,
> > etc.
> > > Just coincidence.
> >
> > Oh, I see.
> > You left out caribous.
> > I was just about to add Torino (presumably from a Celtic pl. gen.
> of
> > a *Turin- tribe).
> >
> > Torsten
>
> Are there any written sources to support the *KAR- theory? Otherwise
> I don't think the comparison holds.
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