[tied] Re: Troy, Rasna and Turan

From: MrCaws@...
Message: 9721
Date: 2001-09-24

--- In cybalist@..., "Glen Gordon" <glengordon01@...> wrote:
> Cort:
> >But wasn't the specific city of troy known as Wilusa, at least to
> >Hittites anyway? I remember that in a discussion a while ago there
> >was an idea that Troy might be a more general term for a region/
> >political confederation/peoples of which Wilusa was an important
> >member.
> I'm open to that possibility until I look into it further and find
> otherwise.
> >If that was so, then could "people of Turan" or some such thing be
> >the origin of that name as well as for Tyrrhenian?
> But why Turan? We would end up with **Turan-ana then... or if you
> accept my view that Turan < *Xastóra, then we have *Xastóra-na.
> The former would yield Etruscan **/Turanana/, the latter would yield
> **/(A)Turana/. Either way, we certainly don't end up with /ras'na/
at all.

Bear with me for a sec...

But the winged spirits found in old Lycia, made by the Trmmeli, match
nicely the Etruscan Lasae, associated with Turan. These Lycian
spirits are connected with an important goddess.
The Trmmeli also painted some pretty Etruscan-esque frescoes, and
had familiar-looking tombs cut into hillsides.
What I'm getting at is that we again have a Tr-people with an
important goddess similar to Turan and a culture similar to Etruscan.
And a patron goddess similar to Turan at Troy. And a people-name
Tyrrhenian, which looks like a good match. And another possible
Tyrrhenian speaking people on Cyprus that probably had an important
Turan-like goddess(See below as well)
The Rasna thing seems to be a monkey wrench in the gears, but
otherwise it seems like a pretty interesting(though circumstantial)

> I suggested *Tarwese-na for multiple reasons. First, it correlates
> Hittite /Taruisa/ and second, the Etruscan outcome agrees with the
> accent rule I developed for Tyrrhenian where the accent tends to
> be placed off of *a. Hence, Tarwésena > Etr /ras'na/. The
> of the Tyrrhenians with Troy also makes some historical &
> sense.

I think that linking the Tyrrhenians with the Troad makes good sense,
but there are some difficulties getting them in the exact city of
Wilusa/Ilion. As long as Troy is a region or a people, though, I
think it works.

Oh, and along the lines of Taru=Troy, doesn't Tarchon, Etruscan
national hero, look rather like Tarkhunt, a variant of Taru?

> >And as long as we are talking about Tyrrhenian and the goddess
> >wasn't Cyprus one of the mythic points of origin for Aphrodite?
> Actually, I would say that she derives from the neolithic and
> to the Eastern Mediterranean in general. The whole goddess
archetype thing.

I agree. But when a myth says a deity is born somewhere specific, it
suggests that there is some particular association with this place,
likely a strong and early center of worship.
I suggest that if worship of Turan was particularly strong on
Cyprus , and Turan was equated w/ Aphrodite, then this could well be
the reason we have a story of Aphrodite being born on cyprus.
And that these Turan worshippers could well be Tyrrhenian speaking
people who left us Eteo-Cyrpiot.

-Cort Williams