Re: [tied] Re: Vwikings.

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 01:28:40 -0000, gibbsp@... wrote:

>--- In cybalist@..., "Glen Gordon" <glengordon01@...> wrote:
>
>Glen, or should I use Glenny
>
>In a previous posting you said:
>...Quebecois [dz^ne] for "diner" for example....
>
>Is the [dz] a representation of the voiced alveolar affricate? If so
>IMHO this is a misconception of Anglophones like you and me on
>hearing the French /d/ and /t/, particularly before /i/. The
>French /d/ and /t/ are almost pure dentals unlike their alveolar
>English counterparts. An anglo incorrectly hears or misinterprets
>the sound (probably the release of air) as affrication. I believe
>the dental articulation is also used in Czech. I had a Czech
>acquaintance whose /d/'s and /t/'s when speaking English
>sounded "French".

French (especially Quebecois) /t/ and /d/ are palatalized before /i/.
Czech also palatalizes the dentals before /i/ (except when /i/ is
spelt <y>).