Re: Did IE languages spread before farming?

--- In cybalist@..., tgpedersen@... wrote:

> --- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> >
> > Pace Anthony, the problem is slightly more complex.
> >
> > First, the Anatolian languages have to be excluded. Apart from
> Hitt.
> > hissa- `draft pole', which may be related to Slavic *ojes- and/or
> > Skt. i:s.a:, vehicle technology is not much in evidence there;

even

> > the Anatolian `horse' words look like loans from (Mitanni) Indo-
> Aryan.
> >
> > Secondly, there is no single term for `wheel' or `wagon' in non-
> > Anatolian IE, but rather clusters of lexemes derived from a small
> > number of roots: the wheel word is either *roth2-o-/-ah2 or
> *kWekWlo-
> > , the latter with branch-specific variants; `wagon/cart' words

are

> > _various_ independent derivatives of *weg^H-e- `carry' (used also
> of
> > water, wind, boats, etc.). The horse (*[h1]ek^wos) was no doubt
> known
> > to speakers of ancestral non-Anatolian IE, but the word may also
> have
> > referred to wild horses.
> >
> Or *w-gh- may hay been borrowed from Austronesian into AfroAsiatic
> and later into IndoEuropean
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/wgh.html
>
> cf Stephen Oppenheimer: "Eden in the East" on post-diluvial
> dispersion of people and various cultural items (first into the al-
> Ubaid culture?)

And on *kW-l-, for what it's worth:

http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/ql.html

Torsten