[tied] Re: Glen & Joseph's Tyrrhenian

From: MrCaws@...
Message: 8969
Date: 2001-09-02

--- In cybalist@..., "Rex H. McTyeire" <rexbo@...> wrote:

Mr. McTyeire:

I like your model for Neo-Pelasgian and such. I just had a few
questions if you have the time: Do we know anything about these old
Tyrrhenians of the Aegean and Greece era?

What about the Taruisa/Trsh peoples? Are these unrelated, or could
these be a people who bear the Tyrrhenian name due to T. cultural
influence?

Also, not to harp on Lemnos too much, but the arch. record shows new
settlements around the turn of the second millenium, roughly the time
that the Pleasgians tradtionally arrived on Lemnos.
Back in the Early bronze age(especially the former, I believe),
Poliochni was a wealthy metropolis.
Were the inhabitants likely Tyrrhenians, Pelasgians, both or neither
in your view?

-Mr. Caws






> O-:The Lemnians of the 6th century used a language very similar to
> O-:Etruscan-Tyyrhenian.
>
> Where does the label T. come from on the above equation? Because
some
> called the place the Etruscans emerged Tyrrhenia?
>
> O-: fact they are so similar that it is clear to
> O-:even the most casual observer that Lemnian and Etruscan-
>
> To this point I agree.
>
> O-: Tyrrhenian
>
> It is when you add this, that things get confused between a pre-
Pelasgic
> Aegean/Greek mainland language, peoples in Greece and (maybe)
Anatolia
> before EBA; and a place sometimes called Tyrrhenia in what is now
Italy.
>
>
> O-:had a close common ancestral language.
>
> Etruscans and Lemnians..yes. Factor in the Tyrrhenians?
>
> O-:We know the Lemnos people from
> O-:the period of the Lemnos Stele were called Pelasgian; as a
general
> O-:term. Thus the Language of the Lemnos Stele is Pelasgian. Again,
> O-:because Lemnian is so similar to Etruscan it is also a Pelasgian
> O-:Language.
>
> I agree..many do not..even on the period or the direction of flow of
> influence...but that still hasn't got a rats derriere to do with an
> Indo-Tyrrhenian language group. There were no Aegean Tyrrhenians
left
> able to colonize anything by the Ninth BC, Villanovan HAS been
separated
> from Etruscan; even at same sites..It was...had to be..a ninth BC
import
> to a place already called Tyrrhenia; with a foreign language. (I say
> nautical FROM the Aegean). It therefore was not Tyrrhenian..even if
> Italy was the (much older) Tyrrhenian center, unless you want to
put a
> Tyrrhenian center to the North that sent ground waves SE and SW
over a
> coupla K years; and ignore the nautical aspects (hard to do with
> Lemnos).
>
> O-: Pelasgian
> O-: |__________________________________________
> O-: Tyyrhenian | Pelo-Pelasgian? Attic-Pelasgian?
> O-: _____ |______ |
> O-: Lemnian Etruscan Raetic
>
> Why follow P with T when all references to Greece are the reverse?
Back
> Tyrrhenian up to before Pelasgian..vary some substrate...and spread
the
> Pelasgian. Why Not (?) :
>
> Oscan
> |
> Tyrrhenian
> |
> |_______________________________________________
>
> |
> Westward->Pelasgian (dominates/mixes w/) Tyrrhenian
(Dies
> slowly/pocketed)
> |____________________________________|
>
> |
> |
> Displaced by Greek
> |
>
Peripheral
> Neo-Pelasgian(w/Tyrrhenian substrate)
>
> |
> _______ spread from Aegean
center
> NAUTICALLY and survived only as_
> |Lemnian |
> Etruscan | Raetic*
>
> (*earlier Aegean import {me- before
> 9th}or corrupted Etruscan {Livy-after 9th})
>
> Rex