Re: [tied] Odin as a Trojan Prince

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 8639
Date: 2001-08-21

This is not a paraphrase but a parody -- and such an unfair one that it misses the point completely. You deliberately ignore the crucial epistemological question of corroboration by independent evidence. We have innumerable independent accounts of Napoleon's biography and of the circumstances of the Battle of Waterloo. They confirm one another in many respects and when there are contradictions there is usually enough data to clarify them. If Napoleon were only a character in a patriotic saga written by an English poet and historian, and if French, German, Russian and other historians had never heard of him, he'd be the same sort of entity as Odinus the Trojan. If we were to believe early Polish historians -- hwaet! -- our Proto-Polish ancestors defeated Alexander the Great and repelled the Roman imperial armies on more than one occasion. It's a pity the Greek and Roman historians managed to cover it all up.
 
By the way, if any "English historians" really claimed that Napoleon was "defeated by English troops", they'd be guilty of Anglocentric megalomania and their story would distort the historical truth in important respects. The armies of Blücher and Wellington were Prussian/Saxon and British/Dutch (plus miscellaneous German speakers), respectively. If I remember correctly, the British troops (not "English", please; even Wellington was a Dubliner) accounted for about 25% of the allied forces, even if their contribution was particularly spectacular.
 
Lastly, not even an English historian would dare to invent a fantastical genealogy to suggest that Wellington (aka Arthur Wellesley) had something to do with the half-legendary Arthur of Britain, or that his ancestors came from a Trojan or Macedonian royal house.
 
Piotr
 
 
 
 
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Subject: Re: [tied] Odin as a Trojan Prince
 

Let me paraphrase Klingenberg's argument:

A lot of English historians claim there was a battle near a place
called Waterloo, and a certain French emperor Napoleon was defeated
by English troops. But we all know that many English historian were
educated at boarding schools where they read the classical authors.
It is evident that they calqued the battle of Gaugamela, where
Alexander beat the Persian emperor. The purpose of the story is
therefore to justify the English independence of France. The story is
_factually false, and there has never been a battle at Waterloo,
except in the heads of a lunatic fringe who have a need to believe
such stories.