Re: [tied] Quandoque et bonus...

Actually, Homer may easily be interpretted as referring to Troia as a
state or people, with the city definitely as Ilion. As the people
there in classical times were Thracian-speaking Hellespontine
Phrygians or Dardanians. The latter seems more accurate, especially
given the Egyptian reference to the 'Drdn' vassals of the Hittites at
Kadesh. Troas/Troia/the Troad was a regional appellation, IMO, which
could have been the name of a league of city-states in the area.

As for Taruisa, I doubt it was synonymous with Troy. I believe that
it should, instead, be indentified with the classical city south of
Sardis, found on classical maps variously as Tira and Tyrrha, which
was in the region known as Torrhebis (Cayster valley east of
Ephesos). This name is uncannily similar to that of the
Tyrhennians/Etruscans.

--- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> By the way, if Taruisa and Wilusija (Hittite Wilusa-), listed among
the Assuwan towns subjugated by Tuthalijas II, don't refer to the
same place, perhaps Homer was wrong about identifying Troy with
Ilion. Maybe the real "Trojan" war was against a league of
neighbouring coastal towns whose names were confused after their
destruction and the turmoil caused by the "Sea Peoples". And if so,
what did Schliemann discover -- Troy or Ilion? ;)
>
> Piotr
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MrCaws@...
> To: cybalist@...
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 2:41 AM
> Subject: [tied] Re: Etruscans and Herodotus
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> Assuwa is kind of a sticky issue, actually. Controversy surrounds
its
> exact boundaries. Some want to put it only to the north of Arzawa,
in
> the islands and Northern Anatolia.However, in the Iliad, Homer
speaks
> of two Lycias, one near Mt. Ida and Troy, the other distant Lycia,
in
> its traditional southern location. And if Apasa were the capital of
> the Assuwa league, wouldn't that put it smack dab in the middle of
> Arzawa/Lydia Thus, Lydia may well be Arzawa, but Arzawa was part of
> Assuwa.
> In any case, you are right. Assuwa wasn't a stable political body,
> but a loose confederation that sometimes fought together for common
> goal. And they did lose to the Hittites, became vassals. Shortly
> before the troubled times of Sea Peoples and Trojan war.
>
> -Mr. Caws