Re: [tied] Re: Uni

But can we sure that Hera-Herakles relation was not folk-etymology after
the resemblance of names?

My guess: I think that maybe Herakles came from *He:rokle:s < *Ya:ro-klewes-
, akin to Russian Jaroslav. Later, due folk-etymology it turned to Herakles
after Hera.

Other possibilty is He:rakles < Egyptian Heru "Horus".

----- Original Message -----
From: Alexander Stolbov <astolbov@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 10:37 AM
Subject: [tied] Re: Uni


> I must apologize.
> There are variants of the Greek myths (Diod. IV 9; Paus. IX 25, 2) where
> Zeus and Athena fooled Hera and she gave her breast to Herakles by
mistake.
> But Herakles was there a newborn child. And nothing about his adoption by
> Hera.
> So my argumentation get weaker but still valid.
>
> No doubt, the names of Hera ana Herakles are connected. AFAIR,
> folk-etymology explained Herakles as "glorified by Hera" or "due to
Hera" -
> nothing about adoption again.
>
> Alexander
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "João S. Lopes Filho" <jodan99@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 4:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Uni (was: Odin as a Trojan Prince)
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> > But Greek myths also mention this possibility of Herakles be a son of
> Hera,
> > considering that name Hera-kles derive from Hera, but this could be
> > folk-etymology.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Alexander Stolbov <astolbov@...>
> > To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 5:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Uni (was: Odin as a Trojan Prince)
> >
> >
> > > Yes - theoretically. (BTW, Pre-Italic substratum - is it something
> > > Ligure-like ?)
> > > But I don't think that it really was so.
> > >
> > > There is a popular motif in Etruscan iconography (on bronze mirrors,
> > > particularly) where Hercle - an adult man with the lion skin - is
> sucking
> > > Uni's breast. The comment inscriptions are translated usually as
"Hercle
> > is
> > > becoming Uni's son".
> > > Hercle - obviously is not a Pre-Italic substratum hero.
> > > The story has no analogies with Herakles and Hera, so it can not be a
> > > relatively late Greek borrowing.
> > > The situation itself looks very archaic but absolutely not
patriarchal.
> > >
> > > The most probable conclusion, IMHO, - both Hercle and Uni belong to a
> > common
> > > and very old *Etruscan* mythological tradition.
> > >
> > > Alexander
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "João S. Lopes Filho" <jodan99@...>
> > > To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 3:08 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Uni (was: Odin as a Trojan Prince)
> > >
> > >
> > > > If Uni and Ani are borrows from Romans doesnt means necessarily that
> > they
> > > > are IE. Perhaps they came from some Pre-Italic substratum.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Alexander Stolbov <astolbov@...>
> > > > To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:34 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Uni (was: Odin as a Trojan Prince)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "João S. Lopes Filho" <jodan99@...>
> > > > > To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 5:46 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Uni (was: Odin as a Trojan Prince)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > But .. who did steal from whom?
> > > > > > Juno (variation Juni- in Junius) <=> Uni
> > > > > > Janus <=> Ani
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In both cases there was a drop of the J-. It's more likely to
say
> > that
> > > > > > Etruscans borrow Latin names and drop the J- than to say that
> Romans
> > > > > borrow
> > > > > > Etruscan deities and put an J-.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd say this if I knew any other IE couple of deities cognate to
> > > Uni/Ani.
> > > > >
> > > > > Alexander
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