Re: [tied] Re: Uni (was: Odin as a Trojan Prince)

But Greek myths also mention this possibility of Herakles be a son of Hera,
considering that name Hera-kles derive from Hera, but this could be
folk-etymology.

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From: Alexander Stolbov <astolbov@...>
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Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Uni (was: Odin as a Trojan Prince)


> Yes - theoretically. (BTW, Pre-Italic substratum - is it something
> Ligure-like ?)
> But I don't think that it really was so.
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> There is a popular motif in Etruscan iconography (on bronze mirrors,
> particularly) where Hercle - an adult man with the lion skin - is sucking
> Uni's breast. The comment inscriptions are translated usually as "Hercle
is
> becoming Uni's son".
> Hercle - obviously is not a Pre-Italic substratum hero.
> The story has no analogies with Herakles and Hera, so it can not be a
> relatively late Greek borrowing.
> The situation itself looks very archaic but absolutely not patriarchal.
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> The most probable conclusion, IMHO, - both Hercle and Uni belong to a
common
> and very old *Etruscan* mythological tradition.
>
> Alexander
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> From: "João S. Lopes Filho" <jodan99@...>
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> > If Uni and Ani are borrows from Romans doesnt means necessarily that
they
> > are IE. Perhaps they came from some Pre-Italic substratum.
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> > From: Alexander Stolbov <astolbov@...>
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> > > From: "João S. Lopes Filho" <jodan99@...>
> > > To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 5:46 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Uni (was: Odin as a Trojan Prince)
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> > > > But .. who did steal from whom?
> > > > Juno (variation Juni- in Junius) <=> Uni
> > > > Janus <=> Ani
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> > > > In both cases there was a drop of the J-. It's more likely to say
that
> > > > Etruscans borrow Latin names and drop the J- than to say that Romans
> > > borrow
> > > > Etruscan deities and put an J-.
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> > > I'd say this if I knew any other IE couple of deities cognate to
> Uni/Ani.
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