Re: [tied] Re: Uni (was: Odin as a Trojan Prince)

Yes - theoretically. (BTW, Pre-Italic substratum - is it something
Ligure-like ?)
But I don't think that it really was so.

There is a popular motif in Etruscan iconography (on bronze mirrors,
particularly) where Hercle - an adult man with the lion skin - is sucking
Uni's breast. The comment inscriptions are translated usually as "Hercle is
becoming Uni's son".
Hercle - obviously is not a Pre-Italic substratum hero.
The story has no analogies with Herakles and Hera, so it can not be a
relatively late Greek borrowing.
The situation itself looks very archaic but absolutely not patriarchal.

The most probable conclusion, IMHO, - both Hercle and Uni belong to a common
and very old *Etruscan* mythological tradition.

Alexander

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From: "João S. Lopes Filho" <jodan99@...>
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Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Uni (was: Odin as a Trojan Prince)


> If Uni and Ani are borrows from Romans doesnt means necessarily that they
> are IE. Perhaps they came from some Pre-Italic substratum.
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> From: Alexander Stolbov <astolbov@...>
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> > Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Uni (was: Odin as a Trojan Prince)
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> > > But .. who did steal from whom?
> > > Juno (variation Juni- in Junius) <=> Uni
> > > Janus <=> Ani
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> > > In both cases there was a drop of the J-. It's more likely to say that
> > > Etruscans borrow Latin names and drop the J- than to say that Romans
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> > > Etruscan deities and put an J-.
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> > I'd say this if I knew any other IE couple of deities cognate to
Uni/Ani.
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