Re: Celtic Jutland

Tor

Revised List

Celtic-German Tribes of Cimbrorum
Ambrones Amrum (a little further north than I would expect,
but sounds good, see note 1 below)
Cobandi South of Ribe?
Chali Ribe area
Charudi Hardersyssel (my mistake, clearly the Charudi were
north of the Chali)
Aduatuci note 2
Teutones Thiuthæ sysæl (Thy, OK this will work as well as on
the east side islands) note 3
Cimbri Himmersysæl (Himmerland) note 4
Aloci North of the Cimbri?

Nordic-German
Sigulones Schleswig (swig possible from sige)
Vandali Wendlæ sysæl (Vendsyssel, after it was abandoned or had
pushed aside the earlier inhab) note 5.
Fundusii Hardersyssel (The Nordic-German form of Charudi, or
by some means the Charudi became the Fundusii)
Saxones Saxony (after it was abandoned or had pushed out the
earlier inhab) note 6


Notes:
1-Could the Amrum be associated with the Tacitus' Avlones, in OE
called the Eowan. The term apparently means "the islanders." In De
Origine Longobardorum, with similar accounts by Paulus Diaconus and
Saxo Grammaticus, there is a tradition about the Vinniliani
migration. It mentions two Vandali war-leaders named Ambri and Assi
and says for years they made the Vinniliani pay tribute. The first is
without doubt a reference to the Ambroni, while the second possibly
a form of the Aloci. To me this and the tie to amber trade found in
the name suggest a Baltic location for the Ambroni.

2- In De Origine Longobardorum, the Vinniliani occupy a district near
the Baltic called Aldonus. This place name appears similar to the
tribal name given the Aduatuci. This may suggest a site near the
Ambroni with access to the Baltic in an area later occupied by the
Vandali and Vinniliani-Langobardi. I'm not sure if this tradition
suggests that the Vinniliani replaced the Ambroni, who in turn were
replaced by the Vandali, then the Langobardi?

3-Because Classical sources tell us Pytheas visited the Teuton. I
assumed the reason the contact was made because of their control of
the amber trade. Because I understand actual procurement and
processing was dispersed, the Teuton involvement was in controlling
transport at some geographic choke point. At that time I did know
about the Skaw problem. Thus the Teutons on the west coast of Jutland
makes more sense since Pytheas at this point in his trip would have
been rushed to return before the opening of the late summer storms.

4-I believe most of the Celt tribes of Jutland were part of the
confederation the Romans called Cimbrorum. Cimbrorum may have roughly
corresponded to the boundaries of Jutland.

5-Pliny records: …Vandili, of who [the] Burgodiones, Varinnae,
Charini, and Gutones [are] members. However, there is an interesting
Swebian tradition that claims they migrated from Scatinavia but a
violent storm blew the fleet to Slesvik. Here their ships were
destroyed. Then over time they past south through the country of the
Danes looting and raiding to gather 20,000 horses. Eventually, they
came to and crossed the Alba (Elbe) river to scattered along the
coast. Could the story of a shipwrecked migration fleet at Slesvik,
be about a failed passage of the Skaw during a storm? Additionally,
the Swebian tradition sounds similar to the Vandali- Vendsyssel
tradition. Could the early Swebians also be connected to the later

6- Widukind records that the Saxoni migrated from Scatinavia through
the North Sea and settled in Hadolaun, or the Hadeln district, near
the mouth of the Elbe. He claims the Saxons negotiated with the
Thuringians for land.


JS Crary