Re: [tied] Re: Armenian.

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 8018
Date: 2001-07-20

 
A. Satemic languages usually have a number of conditioned or unpredictable exceptions from the satem palatalisation. The latter may be borrowings from non-satem languages or sporadic survivals of sound-change spread. Indo-Iranian has fewer such exceptions than Slavic, Albanian or (especially) Baltic, but Armenian has practically none: whatever could possibly be satemised, _was_ satemised there. E.g. Armenian loys 'light' < *leuk^-o- contrasts with such forms as OCS luc^I 'ray' < *louk-jo-, Skt. rocate 'shines' < *leuk-e-toi or Av. raoc^ah- 'light' < *leuk-es-.
 
B. The satem shift was too complex a change to be reversible. The fronting of the *K^ series was accompanied by the unrounding of labialised velars and their merger with the inherited *K series as plain velars (except perhaps in Albanian, but the evidence for that is weak); there is no indication of a temporal gap between those processes, which means that at a certain point the whole system of phonological contrasts was redefined. Secondary "re-centumisation" of Germanic would have involved the faithful restoration of the former system, reintroducing etymological labialisation as well as losing all traces of satem palatalisation. Such things simply don't happen. To use a biological metaphor, mammals can evolve into marine animals, but not back into fish. The same applies to Greek.
 
It is well known that cladistic analyses of the IE family are easier if Germanic is excluded. Germanic just doesn't seem to fit anywhere significantly better than it fits anywhere else. The reason why in some proposed phylogenies Germanic clusters with Baltic and Slavic is the choice of features used in the "distance matrix" -- if you use easily borrowable innovations, false affinities due to areal diffusion will distort the topology of the tree derived from such data. Lexical isoglosses, in particular, are deceptive. All the languages of the North European Plain share a lot of exclusively "northern" vocabulary thanks to millennia of contact and areal convergence, irrespective of their original genetic affiliations. Non-trivial systemic changes in phonology would be more reliable indicators of relatedness, but in mechanical computer-assisted analyses few of them are ever used and they are easily outweighed by more doubtful "resemblances".
 
Piotr
 
 
 
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Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 4:54 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: Armenian.

A. What is meant by "more consistently Satemic than any other branch?

B. How 'bout this one: last year a study was published that concluded
the Germanic languages were originally Satem, then later Centumized.
If this is true, then I would suspect that the Satems were the Kurgan
or (more probably) the Battle Axe people coming from eastern Europe,
assimilating with centum speakers in central Europe, then moving into
Scandinavia.

Might this model have been duplicated by the proto-Greeks before they
moved into Greece?