From: cas111jd@...
Message: 7884
Date: 2001-07-14
--- In cybalist@..., "João S. Lopes Filho" <jodan99@...> wrote:
> It's plausible to connect the Third Smith to the sparks and the ore.
> Speaking of the male and female fire spirits: Were there another
Female
> Hearth Goddesses besides Hestia and Vesta, or this goddess can be
seen as
> Old European myth, later substituted by the IE Fire-god?
>
> Joao SL
> Rio
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <cas111jd@...>
> To: <cybalist@...>
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 12:53 PM
> Subject: [tied] Re: There was Three Smiths
>
>
> > Fristly, the THREE was the magic number on many things in IE
> > mythologies. The ancient Europeans were wont to see, it seems,
most
> > things in terms of three. The names of the Cyclopes suggests some
> > relationship with the thunder god, though links between the
thunder
> > god and smith-god are sparse in the IE mythologies. Except for the
> > Cyclopes relationship with Zeus and the Baltic thunder- and smith-
> > god affinity, most smith-gods seem more like chthonic gods than
sky-
> > gods.
> >
> > Still, it seems that the early IE peoples saw some connection: the
> > smith's hammer is an attribute of the thunder god, his hammering
is
> > like thunder (I guess). The fire in his forge was sometimes
> > identified with a male spirit (as with the Balts and Slavs) as
> > opposed to the female spirit of the house hearth (as with Hestia
and
> > Vesta, etc.). The third smith-god you adeptly cite may be from the
> > sparks that are made when the hammer beats the metal? Maybe he
was a
> > magician that turned the ore into metal?
> >
> > --- In cybalist@..., "João S. Lopes Filho" <jodan99@...> wrote:
> > > PIE Smith God: One or Three
> > >
> > > It's clear to me that PIE myth had a triad of Three Smith Gods
> > (perhaps originally carpenters).
> > > Let's see:
> > >
> > > The Three Cyclopes (Greece) : Brontes, Steropes, Arges
> > > The Three Rbhu (India) : Rbhuks.an, Vaja, Vibhu
> > > The Three (or Four) Elves, Ivaldir's sons (Scandinavia) :
Alfrigr,
> > Grerr, Bergling ...or...Eitri, Brokk, Sindri
> > > The Three Irish Smiths : Goibniu, Luchtar and Creidne (or Cian,
> > Samain and Goibniu)
> > >
> > > And more:
> > > The Four/Three Telkhines? - Ormenos, Lykos, Akteus and
> > Megalesios ...or... Argyron, Khryson and Kalkhon
> > > The Three Builders of Thebas walls - Amphion, Zethos, Lokros
> > > The Three Builders of Trojan walls - Poseidon, Apollon and
Aiakos
> > >
> > > My hypothesis is that there were Three Smith Gods, possibly
three
> > men that was turned into gods to honour their great squills. Their
> > were:
> > > THUNDER - names
> > meaning "thunder", "thunderer", "strong", "noisy", "copper/bronze"
> > > LIGHTNING - names
> > meaning "quick", "violent", "penetrant", "hot", "burning", "gold"
> > > FLASH - names meaninh "shining", "white", "gleaming", "silver"
> > >
> > > I'd like to discuss it.
> > >
> > > Joao SL
> > > Rio de Janeiro
> >
> >
> >
> >
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