Re: [tied] W's in Swedish??

On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 08:57:48 +0100, "petegray"
<petegray@...> wrote:

>The dialect map of uvular /r/ versus trilled /r/ is quite complex (and even
>more so when you consider uvular fricative /r/). I give you two
>descriptions:
>
>(a) very simply, uvular /r/ is found in a continuous area of Europe from
>France up to Germany and Denmark (but not in Holland).

Not in Holland?

>(b) in more detail, uvular /r/ is:
>
> not usual in Spain, Italy, mid-south & East Switzerland, Austria, Bavaria,
>and beyond the eastern German border; Norway, Sweden, Holland, North
>Flanders.
>
>generally used in France (outside the south-west), other parts of Belgium,
>the area around The Hague,

It's rather more widespread than that. Uvular r is pretty much the
standard pronunciation in the Netherlands and has been since at least
the 1950's. It is used in practically all major cities, except (to my
knowledge) Amsterdam (apical rolled/tapped /r/) and perhaps Rotterdam
and Leiden (where am English-style continuant apical or retroflex /R/
is common, besides the uvular varieties).


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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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