On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:36:07 -0000,
MCLSSAA2@... wrote:
>--- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>> ... I believe (Dutch-speakers, please correct me if I'm wrong) that
>> the normative Netherlands Dutch pronunciation of <w> is [B] ...
>
>When I learned Dutch to be ready for a fortnight holiday motorcycling
>round Holland, the textbook told me to pronounce Dutch "w" with the
>upper lip and the lower lip and the lower front teeth all three
>together, like saying [v] and [w] both at the same time.
>
>But books can be wrong; my textbook said that Dutch "ui" is pronounced
>[öü], but the pronunciation that I heard in Holland (mostly around
>the IJsselmeer, but I went further south sometimes) was [aü].
Pronunciations change, and textbooks are slow to pick up on them. I
bet there are still textbooks around that describe <ie>, <uu> and <oe>
(/i/, /y/, /u/) as "long vowels", when in fact they are short [i], [y]
and [u] (except before /r/, when they become long).
The diphthong spelt <ui> is usually described as [Öy], parallel to
<ei>/<ij> = [Ei] and <au>/<ou> = [Ou]. In fact, the initial part of
the diphtong is more open than that, more like [æi], [V"y] and [Vu].
If I'm not mistaken, the offglide in <ui> is [y] before consonants,
but [i]/[j] when final or before another vowel (<huis> = [hV"ys], <ui>
= [V"i], <uien> = [V"j@]).
The whole system:
<ie>, <i> [i], [i:] before /r/
<uu>, <u> [y], [y:] before /r/
<oe> [u], [u:] before /r/
<i> [I]
<u> [Y]
<ee>, <e> [e.] > [ei], [I:] before /r/
<eu> [ö.] > [öy], [Y:] before /r/
<oo>, <o> [o.] > [ou], [U:] before /r/
<ei>, <ij> [Ei] > [æi]
<ui> [Öy] ~ [Öi] > [V"y] ~ [V"i]
<au>, <ou> [Ou] > [Vu]
<e> [E]
<o> [O]
(There used to be a distinction between /O/ in e.g. <pot> and "/ò/"
([U]?) in e.g. <dom>, but I've never heard it)
<aa>, <a> [a.], [a:] before /r/
<a> [A]
(The qualities are inversed in e.g. Amsterdam: [A:] vs. [a])
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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
mcv@...