--- In cybalist@..., "Glen Gordon" <glengordon01@...> wrote:
>
> Mr Caws, not to be confused with Dr Claw (Inspector Gadget's
> famous arch-nemesis), nor Mr Claus (also known as Saint Nick
> or Kris Kringle):
Ooh...Inspector Gadget reference. Don Adams would be pleased :)
Anyway,
> >My issue with positioning Tyrrhenian in the Balkans so early is
> >that I connect it with the Lefkandi culture, which came in from
the east
> >circa 2300-2200 most likely due to pressure from incoming IE
groups. Coming
> >from the east, it was probably Anatolian in origin.
> It's a late date to be finally pushed by incoming IE groups, no?
> What was the thousand-year hold up? :)
Admittedly direct evidence of a new culture arriving in the area
around this time period isn't all that great. Some still adhere to
the idea of Anatolian IE coming through and destroying Trou circa
2200 BCE, but maybe the tide of evidence has turned against such. No
worry, I have an alternative which works with my idea too.
Well, perhaps this upheaval was caused/magnified by climactic change-
Evidence for widespread drought circa 2200 BCE is mounting. Troy was
destroyed at such a time, and the material culture of the succeeding
inhabitants was markedly different. One thing to note is the
increased prevalence of deer bones, suggesting hunting provided a
larger quantity of the diet. Art forms seemed to be different, with
figures of an unidentified quadraped found for the first timein the
city.If this does not indicate the arrival of a new culture, perhaps
it indicates a massive popular uprising(The now numerically superior
IE folk?) against Troy in response to the famine and drought.
In any case, the end result would be the same- Upheaval and distress
around mainland Troy, and shortly after a new culture flowing
westward into the Aegean, Crete etc.
>
> So you would claim that the creators of the Minoan palaces were
> Tyrrhenian speaking? Crete was populated by the 6th millenium by
> people of Asia Minor. Then a new wave of people came. Giving this
> a linguistic perspective, that would be "First Semitish, then
> Tyrrhenian".
>
> Now, I'm no Cyrus Gordon, nor am I related to him in any way,
> but I'm sticking with the idea that Linear A is a Semitoid
> language of a certain kind while I'd say that the Phaistos Disk
> is written in an Anatolian language. As for what language the
> linear scripts were originally intended for, that's a real
> caper and even _I_ don't have a solution... Although I'm
> thinking ejective stops...
I like the Semitish first idea fine. Around 3000 BC the style of
anthrpomorphic carvings changed at some sites in the Aegean area. One
notable difference was the lack of the folded arm pose. Wasn't this
folded arm style used heavily in Phoenician/Canaanite works?
As for Linear A, I don't know. I've heard that Tyrrhenian and
Semitic both might be matches for the script- I wouldn't be that
surprised either way. What about a bilingual Minoan Crete? Or a dying
Semitish preserved as a formal tongue or vice versa?
In any case, it seems likely that whatever was spoken in early Troy
arrived at Crete and had at least some impact, and that in my
opinion, this was most likely Tyrrhenian.
> > Etruscan has always had peculiar similarities with Anatolia
while
> >definetly having Cretan and Aegean characteristics.
>
> Define "Cretan and Aegean characteristics". Are you refering to
> linguistic characteristics or cultural ones?
I'm talking cultural, mainly.
--Mr. Caws
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