Re: [tied] PIE grammar queries; PIE dictionary?

D.Q. Adams, in his revised version of Lehmann & Zgusta's revised version of Schleicher's "Avis akvasas ka" (in EIEC) uses the preterite without any augments in all instances but one (and even that lone *h1é is bracketed). The augment wasn't quite obligatory in oldest Greek and Vedic, and is unknown outside the Greek/Armenian/Indo-Iranian bloc.

The present *léikW-e-ti is thematic, though the root has also athematic derivatives, such as infixed *linékW-ti. The preterite *likW-é-t is of course thematic as well.

One problem with many inventories of IE "words" is that only bare roots are listed, without any useful information concerning the attested derived words and the way they should be inflected. One should list individual well-documented stems and all irregular forms. Thus, for verbs: *leikW-e-, *linekW-, aor. *likW-e-, perf. *le-loip-/*le-lip-.

As for horses &c., I'm sceptical, to put it euphemistically. Many other familes have managed to expand very successfully without domesticated horses.

Piotr

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Subject: [tied] PIE grammar queries; PIE dictionary?

Sorry to display ignorance, but what does this "[tied]" in Subject: lines as hereinunder mean? --- In cybalist@......, "Glen Gordon" <glengordon01@......> wrote: (Subject: [tied] Re: wolf and lamb :: perfect of verb starting with vowel):- > ... Certainly the *e- augment is something particular to a few > dialects only and formed rather late. ... Should I leave these augments out of "the wolf snd the lamb", or keep them in? > > {!ele'ikWet} = "he was leaving" / {!eleikWe't} = "he left". > ... and isn't *leikW- a non-thematic verb? Sorry. I was going by Greek, where {leipo: elipon leloipa} is thematic. Would there be any takers for any plan for people to pool their knowledge of PIE vocabulary and how each word declined / conjugated and its likely gender etc, to one list as a start of a compact PIE dictionary and grammar? Does such a list exist already? > Are you speaking of stages before Common IE? Starting from 7000 BCE > onward, my view is that IE started with a mild initial accent, ... When did the PIE speakers first domesticate horses? The resulting mobility is likely what started the big expansion and therefore much ccelerated the change of their language as the usual consequence of large numbers of uneducated subjected people having to learn their new rulers' language as adults.