Re: [tied] Re: Warning to list: Race and anthropology

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 7049
Date: 2001-04-09

Here is a popular-style but competent overview of the Caucasian langauges:
 
http://popgen.well.ox.ac.uk/eurasia/htdocs/nichols/nichols.html
 
The Zelenchuk inscription (10th-12th c., in the Greek alphabet) is generally accepted as Old Ossetic (identified with late Alanic) as far as I know the Turkic or Nakh readings are not taken seriously by experts. Though I lack the competence to tell you exactly how much room for doubt there is, my own doubts are completely dispelled by the the unmistakably Ossetic features visible in the inscription -- e.g. the genitive of proper names in -i and the word <fourt> /furt/ 'son' repeated four times = Ossetic (Digor) furt with the characteristic metathesis (< Iranian *puTra- < *put-lo-), recurring in the same inscription in <tzErTe> /c^irTe/ 'monument, figure' < *c^iTra-.
 
The Sarmatians and the Alani must have absorbed various ethnic and linguistic elements, but there is no reason to doubt that their language was part of the East Iranian "Sprachbund" or that Ossetic dialects are modern varieties of Alanic. The Pannonian Yas word-list (believed to be a 15th century survival of Iazygian/Alanic in Hungary) shows a solid affinity to Ossetic (<daban horz> = Oss. dä bon xWarz/xorz 'your day be good'). Modern Ossetic displays the effects of several historical changes that are also ascribed to Sarmatian and Alanic on the basis of documented proper names and loanwords. One of the most characteristic features of Alanic and Ossetic is the shift of Proto-Iranian *r into *l, mainly before *i and *j (*-ri-, *-rj- > *-li-, *-l-). The very name "Alanoi" is derived from the adjective *arjana-.
 
Piotr
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Alexander Stolbov
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Warning to list: Race and anthropology

[Piotr]
The "Caucasian languages" is a purely geographical designation. The term
embraces three small-to-medium-size local families restricted to the region
of the Caucasus (Kartvelian, NW Caucasian [= Abkhazo-Adyghian], NE Caucasian
[= Nakho-Dagestanian]) as well as several Turkic and IE languages of the
region (e.g. Ossetic)

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BTW,
Ossetic is said to be a descendant of the Alanian language, which is
classified as East-Iranian, naturally. Unfortunately, AFAIK there are no
literal documents in Alanian but the Zelencuk inscription. It has been read
by Ladislav Zgusta as Old Ossetic (The Old Ossetic Inscription from the
River Zelencuk = Veröffentlichungen der Iranischen Kommission /
Sitz.-ber.ph.-h.ÖAdW, 21 / 486, Wien 1987, 39-41) .

However some investigators claim that Alans were ancestors of Karachay and
Balkar volks (I. M. Miziyev ), or even of Chechenians and Ingush (D. Baksan)
and successfully (as they say) read the Zelencuk inscription as Old Turkic
or as Nakh respectively.

Can we be sure that Ossetic reading is quite reliable and there is no place
for doubts?
Perhaps other relevant materials supporting this point of view exist?

Alexander