Re: [tied] Cymerians?

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 6821
Date: 2001-03-27

Somebody -- I think it may have been Eric Hamp, but I don't recall exactly where -- hypothesised that Cimmerian was a distinct branch of IE, characterised by a peculiar sound shift whereby the voiced aspirated series underwent devoicing and deaspiration (PIE *dH > *t) while the plain voiceless stops became voiced (PIE *t > *d; I forget what happened to the voiced unaspirated series). It was argued that a substrate with such a shift was detectable in Slavic (as unexpected voicing), and the ethnonym Kimmerio- was explained as something like *g^H[m]m-er-jo- (or maybe *-el-jo- if the Cimmerians rhotacised their l's) from *g^Hom- 'earth'. Pretty far-fetched, and to be taken with a very large pinch of salt, given that we have absolutely no historical documentation of _any_ Cimmerian words (except for a couple of Iranian-looking personal names). As for irregular voicing in Slavic, it may take place even in words borrowed or coined in recent times (thus quite often in the local dialect of Poznan) and is most frequent in expressive vocabulary (like Polish <pryskac'> 'spray' ~ <bryzgac'> 'splash').
 
Piotr
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Gwinn
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Cymerians?

I don't accept at the moment that Cimbri and Cimmerioi are related - it seems more likely to me that Cimbri is a Celtic name (Cimmerioi is generally taken as Scythian, if I am not mistaken - though I don't think I have seen a good etymology for it). Cimbri may be related to the Irish verb cimbid "captured person/victim" perhaps making Cimbri "The Slavers".

-Chris Gwinn