[tied] Re: Etruscan and Anatolian(Tanism/Velchans etc.)

--- In cybalist@..., Omar Karamán <diogenes@...> wrote:

> Glen,
>
> I have some points regarding your theory of realms (if you may

apologize

> me for my bad English :-))
>
>
> > > societal ruling realm
> > > colour animal function deity deity
> > > -------------------------------------------------------------
> > > overworld light bird priest *Dye:us *Wextnos
> > > earth dark mammal commoner *Manus *Yemos
> > > underworld red serpent warrior *PerkWnos *Nepo:t
> > >
> >
>
> 1.- Warriors
> According to which IE myths can you affirm that the Underworld

is

> associated with the warrior function and in which way?
> I admit that the hero has to go to the Underworld to get some
> knowledge or skill specifically related to his warrior function,

but

> it doesn't happen always. Sometimes his descent has nothing to do

with

> fighting but knowledge (Odysseus) or adventures (Theseus, in this

case

> not very suitable for a renowned warrior).

How about the serpent and the fire under water?

>
> 2.- Colours
> Red colour seems to be more appropriate for living beings. Roman
> generals in triumph had artificial coloured cheeks, and I remember
> having
> read that some buried skeletons (I haven't the source,

unfortunately, so

> perhaps I am wrong) had painted bones, in red, of course.

You might be thinking of Neolithic graves, where the dead person was
placed on a layer of red ochre. I would connect this use with death,
not life.

Speaking of the color red: Many civilizations used vermillion, a
deviously toxic mercury compound, for coloring things red, including
themselves. The excavators at one Mayan pyramid had to take special
precautions not to get themselves poisoned. IMO this could very well
be the reason for the demented behaviour and eventual decline of the
Mayan kingdoms.

>
> > So in the underworld, *PerkWnos is in charge, the god of war and
> > storms.
>
> But storms are originated in the sky. The Underworld may explain
> earthquakes or floods, but storms?
>

Undersea volcanic eruption? Fire under water? See

http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/hng.html

[snip]

>
> Regards,
>
> Omar

Torsten