Re: [tied] Re: Etruscan and Anatolian

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 6602
Date: 2001-03-15

What statue? Where? Veles is conspicuously absent from the list of gods whose statues were erected by Grand Prince Vladimir of Kiev ca. AD 980 (just a few years before he embraced Christianity). According to a late and not very credible report, there was a stone figure of Veles at Rostov (destroyed in the late 11th c.), but I don't recall Perun being mentioned in the same context. Veles (~ Volos) "the cattle god" is invoked as a witness of oaths in treaties between pagan Rus and Byzantium; he also appears in later registries of pagan deities, and his name almost invariably stands next to Perun's. He is a rather enigmatic god (though probably an important and powerful one), and his functions are somewhat obscure for lack of reliable data. There is some evidence of his association with magic, poetic inspiration and oracular powers. The connection with St. Blaise (Blasius, Vlas) is based on the accidental similarity of their Slavic names. Some historians maintain that the West Slavic chthonic deity Triglav ("Three-Headed" -- with a well-known oracular shrine at Szczecin, where a sacred black horse was kept for divinatory purposes, and a statue or a sanctuary at Brandenburg) should be identified with Veles, but this connection is as insecure as most other information about Veles.
 
The Old Indic name Valá- is a variant of Balá- (identical with the common noun <balá-/valá-> meaning 'cave') -- difficult if not outright impossible to equate formally with Slavic Veles for comparative linguistic reasons.
 
Piotr
 
 
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From: MrCaws@...
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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 9:49 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: Etruscan and Anatolian

OK-I admit my sources are spread rather thin. However, I have found others more who stand by it, and there is supporting evidence in folklore. Veles, more specifically Volos, is definetly a god of commerce and cattle. Veles and Perun are tradtional enemies. His statue was kept separate from Perun's because of this. Volos is still known as the patron saint St. Blas, and is associated with cattle.  The tale involving Vala stealing Indra's cattle is well documented.

    I have seen Velinas and Velnias as well for the Baltic deity. Perhaps Vels is an improper form, but I am not the only one who uses it. I am out of town right now, but after I return perhaps I can take a trip to the library to find more formal support for my argument.
                               -Mr. Caws